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Tom Piper
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 16 May 09 16:28 UTC (UK) »

Perth

First indications are not good-I have been searching Leeds Mercury on 19th century British Newspapers available from Gail engage learning, which you can join from Perth at Lancashire Libraries and have'nt found anything about the mine disaster. I will try the local newspapers at the library later.

Was it a coal mine disaster or something else?

Tom
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 16 May 09 18:56 UTC (UK) »

My contact has got back to me, who says :-

There are no Sidebottoms in my records I'm afraid but the others are as follows :-

Blackburn      13

Ward             94

Dobson          72

Speight         3

Fox               17 .

So you would have to be more specific in dates and names to go any further
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Tom Piper
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 16 May 09 21:35 UTC (UK) »

Sally,

Glad you like the reply. If you look at the 1786 map you can see the names of the people who owned the fields.

Pert Tiger: What is this coal disaster web site? I have found some info online about coal mining disasters but no mention of one in Rothwell in 1844.

Can you supply details please?

Tom
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 16 May 09 21:37 UTC (UK) »

Just a thought, though, it rather depends on where he died he may have been buried in Hunslet, it was the nearest church yard for some of that area in Rothwell.

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perth tiger
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 17 May 09 12:23 UTC (UK) »

My contact has got back to me, who says :-

There are no Sidebottoms in my records I'm afraid but the others are as follows :-
 
Blackburn      13
 
Ward             94
 
Dobson          72
 
Speight         3
 
Fox               17 .

So you would have to be more specific in dates and names to go any further


thanks
samuel ward b abt 1800 died between 1830-1833
benjamin blackburn b abt 1826 d bet 1891-1901
sarah blackburn b abt 1828 d bet 1891-1901


regards
perth Smiley Smiley
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Tom Piper
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 17 May 09 16:35 UTC (UK) »

Perth

I took a look in the graveyard of Rothwell Holy Trinity this afternoon, and you can see that there are a few weeds around, but we may have got lucky, not Charles, but his daughter, his wife and her second husband, Joseph Ward.

This is the inscription:
In Memory of Sarah Hannah daughter of Charles & Mary Sidebottom, of Rothwell who died April 17th, 1875 aged 14 years.

"I was made unto my parents dear,
A Flower sweet and good,
But death you see has called on me,
And plucked me in the bud."

Also of Joseph Ward of Carlton who died March 22nd, 1893 aged 68 years
Also Mary Ward, wife of the above who died April 28th, 1906 aged 76 years.

"Her end was peace"
There is a further inscription which reads: Joseph Ward, Carlton owner.

Sarah Hannah is aged 1 on the 1861 census.

Photographs enclosed, I can all of them to you if you want, by E-mail of course.

There is another Sidebottom in the graveyard, a Christopher Sidebottom, who was born in 1876,  in Hunslet who married Rachel Jackson in 1899, their sons Ernest and George, but as they are deaths of less than 50 years ago I have not included them.

There is still no mention of the roof fall in the Leeds Mercury. I am sure that Town Pay means Parish Relief, details may be in West Yorkshire Archives in Leeds. Would you like me to make some enquiries for you?

It's also possible that at the time of Charles's death, the family were not able to afford a stone to be erected, so that is why there is no stone or inscription.
The stone that is there is very much on its side-I have cleared up the grave site for you.

Tom


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Tom Piper
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 17 May 09 17:37 UTC (UK) »

J Delver,

Your contact must be a real hero, that must have been a really difficult task to record those Mi's in that weedy graveyard, where so many of the stones have been broken, and under piles of vegetation. There is a new grave in the graveyard, put there in 2009, so I wonder if Leeds City Council are re-using the graveyard.

It would be useful for me to contact your contact.

Tom
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jksdelver
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 17 May 09 18:15 UTC (UK) »

I know he did a lot of work ( a long time ago now) but obviously not recorded the Sidebottom one.

If you want to send me a pm with an e-mail I will ask him if I can pass his on to you 

Kevin
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #23 on: Monday 18 May 09 06:25 UTC (UK) »

Some more from my contact:-

Results not so good. Here are the nearest burials to the dates required.

Samuel Ward, husband of Ann, Dec. 19th 1882 aged 76

Benjamin Blackburn, son of Robert, September 16 1851 aged 84

Sarah Ellen Blackburn, December 6 1950 aged 58
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #24 on: Monday 18 May 09 08:13 UTC (UK) »

tom, what can i say, thank you very much.
that is the grave of my ggggran and her 2nd husband. the daughter sarah hannah was born just a few months before her dad died.
will pm you my email if you can send me the pics please. i dont have christopher yet but will look through the census for him

jk, thanks for looking for me. if you could get a copy of the mi's i would be willing to pay for your friends trouble.

thanks again

perth Smiley Smiley
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Tom Piper
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 19 May 09 08:09 UTC (UK) »

Perth,

I had a look in the local newspapers for the day and so far no mention of the roof fall, the inquest, or the incident at all. Newspapers consulted, Leeds Mercury & Leeds Intelligenser.

However there some other newspapers that were published in the Wakefield area, so I will have a look there.

I did see the burial of a Hannah Sidebottom on June 18th, 1880, aged 5 years, from Carlton.

Charles Sidebottom was buried as you say 11-November, 1859 at Rothwell church, the service conducted by John Barkston, vicar. (Record 1363) Holy Trinity church burials on fiche, Leeds Library.

Mary Ellen Sidebottom was baptised at Holy Trinity on 13 08 1848, living at Rothwell, her father a miner, and on June 8th, 1851, Samuel was baptised, his father a miner, living in Leeds.

If you want the others let me know and I will take a look.

I looked for the marriage of Charles and Mary ward which I see on Free BMD was December qtr of 1847, but which church, not Rothwell.

Tom

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Re: rothwell
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 19 May 09 08:42 UTC (UK) »

thanks tom
the samuel baptism sounds like mine but i havnt come across mary ellen or hannah. with hannah been between census its prob the reason i have missed her. mary ellen i havnt heard of either.
charles and mary married at st peters leeds and charles was christened in wooley.
i have the marriage certs

thanks

perth
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 19 May 09 08:50 UTC (UK) »

Perth did you get the PM I sent you

Kevin
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 19 May 09 09:59 UTC (UK) »

Mary Ellen, well maybe she was born in 1846, before the marriage took place, there is a Mary E on the census of 1851, born Carlton, 1846 approx, in Wakefield RD on Free BMD  Sidebottom    Mary         Wakefield    22   726

HO107/319 Folio 778 Page 24
Tom

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perth tiger
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Re: rothwell
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 19 May 09 13:29 UTC (UK) »

hi tom
im pretty sure that that was mary elizabeth ward b carlton 9/1846.
on the 1861 census she is a servant in popplewell using the name sidebottom.
i havnt followed her after that yet.

thanks kevin i have pm'd you

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