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William Brignell (Brignall)
« on: Tuesday 05 May 09 11:07 UTC (UK) »
Born Kensington 1825, died according to records of his children's marriages between 1886 and 1889. No record of his burial where I expected it to be (Cambridge St. Pauls) Any trace?
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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 05 May 09 15:18 UTC (UK) »
Just because he wasn't described as "deceased" on a marriage cert doesn't mean he was alive! "Father's name?" asks the vicar. "William Brignell" she replied. The vicar didn't ask if he was dead or alive, and she didn't volunteer the information that he was dead. So he wasn't described as deceased on the marriage cert.

Have you found him in the 1881 census, available free on www.familysearch.org? I can't find him. That should have rung alarm bells straight away. I can see a Sarah Brignell widow of the right age and a Mary Brignell dau 25 who appear with William in 1861. Sarah had an 8 year old daughter with her, implying, if it's the right family, that William died 1872-81.

Have you checked www.freebmd.org.uk ?

There's a 41 year old William Brignell died in Cambridge in the September quarter 1874


In 1851 age 24 he gives his birthplace as Kingsland Middlesex, but in 1841 age  living in Cambridge he was born in county


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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 06 May 09 11:22 UTC (UK) »
The William Brignell who died in 1874 aged 41 was buried 1 August 1874.  He lived John Street, Cambridge.
Parish of St. Andrew the Less, Christchurch

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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 06 May 09 11:29 UTC (UK) »
I should amend my last. 

In the PR transcription the name is spelt Brignall but this is a common variation.

It actually states 'of' John Street, so that may not have been his permanent residence I suppose. 

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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 06 May 09 11:43 UTC (UK) »
Could he have died as early as March quarter 1867 - William Brignall, aged 42, Cambridge 3b 355?  FreeBMD

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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 May 09 11:46 UTC (UK) »
Roger - did I miss him off the list or did you dismiss him as too early?

William Brignall of Cambridge Place, aged 42, burial St. Paul's 30 January 1867

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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 06 May 09 11:49 UTC (UK) »
Just checked, he is on the list I sent. 

Have you found William in the 1871?  If not maybe that is him, the age is right.

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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 06 May 09 13:28 UTC (UK) »
This is strange Selina, All the marriages you sent me up to 1886 show the brides as daughters of William Brignell Painter, Glazier etc., then in 1889 he is shown as William Brignell deceased. This threw me, as I had previously had him dying 1867 as you say. When did his father b 1789 die?
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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 06 May 09 14:09 UTC (UK) »
I begin to suspect that the William Brignell who died in 1874 was William Brignell snr. bDuxford 1789.From David's information it looks as though there were in fact 2 William Brignells living in Cambridge, one 8 years older than the other, plus possibly William b 1789.The baptism of a William around 1833 in the Cambridge area might shed some light on the situation.
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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 06 May 09 15:45 UTC (UK) »
There is a William Brignell living in Ainsworth Street in 1871 (born Essex), married to a Frances.

By 1881 Frances is a widow so think the 1874 death/burial is that one.

Will think about William 1789 after tea.

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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 07 May 09 09:29 UTC (UK) »
That seems very likely Selina as the William I believe to have been mine was born in Kensington
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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 07 May 09 10:07 UTC (UK) »
Have you found a baptism for him in Kensington? If not, as I pointed out earlier, there's a discrepancy between censuses as to his birthplace. 1851 says Kingsland, Middlesex, which is in Hackney, East London.  One of them has to be a misenumeration, and a 50/50 chance isn't one I would bet on!

There are Brignell baptisms on the IGI in both Hackney and nearby Shoreditch.

The Baptism Index on http://www.cfhs.org.uk/cgi-bin/baptismindex.cgi shows a William R Brignell born Hinxton (next door to Duxford) in 1830, but he might be a complete red herring*


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* I was right. He is a red herring! The burial index on the same site shows him buried in Hinxton aged 2 in 1832
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 07 May 09 10:13 UTC (UK) »
Thanks David, I hadn't checked the baptism as I had assumed (you should NEVER DO THIS!) that Kingsland was an error for Kensington, after all they both begin with K! The Brignell baptisms in London do possibly hold the key to another problem i.e. what connection between Brignells in Kent and Cambridgeshire. Another lead at least; thanks again.
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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 07 May 09 10:48 UTC (UK) »
Why do you think there's a connection between Kent and Cambridge?

The name goes way back in both counties on the IGI. Can't they merely be two distinct families which happen to have the same name?

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: William Brignell (Brignall)
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 07 May 09 10:59 UTC (UK) »
See my post concerning Adolphus Brignell conjuror. He moved into Cambridge Place which of course was full of Brignells, and was there in the 1881 census. If there is a link it's a long way back.
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