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Topic: Jessie Gardiner married in Dumfries (Read 890 times)
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diavalos
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I have just made the discovery that my great grandmother was born in Scotland. She was married in Dunfries 29/05/1854. Her name was Jessie Gardiner she married Martin Casey from Roscommon Ireland.
Her birth was January 1st 1831. There are several Gardiners that could be her parents, but i am having trouble tracking her down on the census. I believe her parents may have been either Joseph Gardiner and Catherine McNabb from Creif Perthshire? or James Todd Gardener and Agnes Shannon both are recorded on the IGI as having a daughter with the name of Jessie b.1831.
Is there anyone out there with access to birth or baptism records who may be able to confirm the right parents.
Thankyou
Joyce
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Ecneps
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
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Hi Joyce,
I see from a previous post about Martin Casey that you already know that he was living in the Isle of Man in 1871 census.
The image shows wife Jessie to have been born abt 1836 in Aberdour, or Aberdeen, (not clear), Ireland, although that is probably Aberdour, Fife, Scotland, or there's another Aberdour in Aberdeenshire?
Their eldest child Mary A was born abt 1855 England, and next child Jessie born abt 1860 Douglas, Isle of Man, so I would expect them to be in the I.O.M in 1861 census (not found yet though)
Barbara
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Ecneps
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
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Still can't find the family in 1861, Isle of Man, England or Scotland, so perhaps they were visiting relatives in Ireland?
In 1851 Scottish census, there is a Jessie Gardner, aged 15, house servant to Alexr. Aaron and family, living in Whithorn, Wigtownshire, she was born Aberdeenshire. Wigtownshire is quite near to Dumfriessshire, where your Jessie was married.
This Jessie in 1841 Scottish census is probably the daughter of Samuel and Jessie Gardiner, who are living in Whithorn. CSSCT1841_151-0317 1841 ED 1 Page 23
Have you looked for her marriage and birth on scotlandspeople? You need to find out if her birth was actually 1831 or, as per the census, 1835/6
Barbara
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`There are two lasting bequests we can give our children - One is roots - the other is wings`- Hodding Carter Census and bmd information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.ukLincs & Yorks - SIVILLS PREDGEN Norfolk - EBBS WHITEROD ZIPFELL Sweden - JÖNSSON CRONBERG ANDERSSON Yorks - SPENCE HIDE HIRD Durham - DALKIN SELBY RENWICK |
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CaroleW
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Barney 1993-2005
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Hi
Marriage date is shown above as 29.5.1854 but no mention of where info was obtained from
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MonicaLesl
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Hi All 
No more detail than you have both found, but this link shows Jessie's birth as you have found (taken from censuses?):
www.tregnier.fr/iansale/PS01/PS01_419.HTM
And someone else researching the family:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE/2003-01/1041418947
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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That 1851 census entry that you found Barbara, might connect to this family in Whithorn on 1851:
Samuel Gardner 50, watchmaker, Glassertown, Wigtownsh
Jessie Gardner 49, b. Toplden, Berickshire
John Gardner 19, Paddler, b. Aberdeen
Jane Gardner 17, b. Aberdeen
Margret Gardner 12, b. Aberdeen
Georgina Gardner 9, b. Aberdeen
Sarah Gardner 7, b. Whithorn
Samuel Gardner 5, b. Whithorn
Address: Main St, Whithorn
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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And the family in 1841 - everyone showing as born outside the county except for Samuel and young Georgina:
Samuel Gardiner 40, watch m.
Jessie Gardiner 35
John Gardiner 9
Jane Gardiner 7
Jessie Gardiner 5
Maryann Gardiner 4
Margaret Gardiner 3
Georgina Gardiner 2 Months
Address: Main St, Whithorn
Monica
Added: Sorry Barbara  This is the family you found in 1841.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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And the previous lister I linked on RootsWeb has reached the same conclusions 
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE/2005-11/1131344612
Time for me to stop, I feel I'm treading on previous footsteps!
Night all 
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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saley
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Hi Joyce and others - Jessie was my great-great-great-grandmother - you have tracked down much of what I could find. I was not able to find the household origins in Aberdeen, or what happened to Samuel Gardiner and his household. Jessie, as you know, went to Douglas where she and Martin made umbrellas at 68 Duke St, Onchan. I have her down as having 7 children, the oldest being Mary Ann whose birth was registered at Poulton le Fylde in Lancs. she had 5 children, including another Jessie who was my greatgrandmother.
I have more details of this family if you're interested.
Ian
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diavalos
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Thankyou all for all the information. You are right if i am going to pursue this i will have to subscribe to Scotland's people. Until yesterday when i decided to look for Martin and Jessies marriage I was under the impression that although Jessie was born in Scotland it was just because her family were passing through when Jessie was born and that they were actually from Ireland
The 1861 census records Jessie and Martin's eldest daughter daughter Mary Ann as living with her grandparents John and Ann Mc manus in Poulton-le Fylde. So i wrongly presumed that Jessie was Mcmanus before marriage. The whole family are difficult to pin down. Mary Ann married John Hart on the Isle of man and their first child was born Burnley Lancs. next two St. Helens Lancs. fourth in Rainton Durham and so on. They also used two other surnames throughout their lives. Holden and Holding. So you can see the problems. I got Jessie's birth from Family search by the way.
Ian
I would love to hear of anything you may have on the Gardiners and Caseys. Did you find them as confusing as i have? I did say that Jessie was my g g grandmother. in actual fact she is my husbands family.
My lot are nowhere near as difficult.
Regards Joyce.
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