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bradfordlad
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Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« on: Thursday 07 May 09 22:27 UTC (UK) »
if anyone has any information on a Charles Bullivant from early to mid 1800's in Lancashire, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Here's what I know....
I have his son's birth certificate (Joseph)
He is the father of Joseph Bullivant b. 1845 Preston.  Joseph's Mother: Jane (late Harrison)
baptized at St. John's church
Address 296 North Road, Preston
Occupation: Hawker

(Son Joseph later settled in Sheffield and appears on 1871 census.)

Being a hawker, Charles may be very difficult to find.  He does not appear on the 1841 nor 1851 census and does not reside at the aforementioned 296 North Road, Preston address at these times (yes, I traced the enumerators routes on an old Preston map and found the same house....that took several hours).

Any help anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 07 May 09 22:29 UTC (UK) »
Clarification for above posting:

I have his son's birth certificate
Charles is the father of Joseph Bullivant b. 1845 Preston.  Joseph's Mother: Jane (late Harrison)
baptized at St. John's church
Address 296 North Road, Preston
Occupation: Hawker
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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #2 on: Friday 08 May 09 06:02 UTC (UK) »
Only one I can find 1841 Roll Eyes
HO107/1147/8/st thomas

St Thomas, Birmingham, Warwickshire

Chas BULLIVANT, 62,  button maker
Eliza, 56
Geo, 31
CHARLES, 23, button maker
Henry, 18
John, 14
All born in county.

This is an incredibly hard one Tongue

Josephs baptism is on IGI as BULLEVANT, parents Charles and Jane, and he is the only one on that batch.

Could either Jane or Charles died and the other spouse remarried?

The Charles I found in census seem to be born/ christened;
Charles B. born 26 January 1819, christened 11 May 1819 St Martin, Birmingham, Warwickshire.
Parents Charles Frederick BULLIVANT and Elizabeth.
There are several batches to check siblings out on.

There are a couple of Josephs born c 1845 on 1861 Census with Mother Jane, but father is not Charles Roll Eyes

I have found  your Joseph 1871 as you said but no luck with other censuses and maybe as Mother remarried Huh

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Trish
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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #3 on: Friday 08 May 09 06:15 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for the quick response.  I'm feverishly working on the puzzle right now.

No luck in finding what happened to Charles, but let me know what you think of this...

What I DO know:
- Joseph Bullivant born to Jane (late Harrison) and Charles Bullivant
- born 1845
- He is on the 1871 census (and again in 1881 but under unusual circumstances..long story...more on that later)
- in 1871 he is married to Sarah Ann Allcroft.  Their first child was born in 1863.
- His occupation in 1871 is Steel Forger
- Sarah Ann and all their children (incl my ggfather - John Joseph B. are all born in Wadsley Bridge, Sheffield)

What I found tonight in the 1861 census:
- Sarah Ann Allcroft at home with parents and siblings all in Wadsley Bridge
- Sarah's father is a steel forger
- they are on page 22 of district 11 of Ecclesfield (includes Wadsley Bridge) census
- 6 pages earlier, on pages 15 & 16 of Wadsley Bridge census there is.......

John Booker        Head           Steel Forger  age 47                                    b. Ecclesfield
Jane Booker        wife                                  age 44  (birth abt. 1817)        b.  Leeds ?!
Joseph Bullingam son-in-law  Steel Forger  age 16  (birth abt. 1845)        b.  Leeds ?!
John Booker         son                                  age 14  (birth abt. 1847)        b. Ecclesfield

Now, what do you think the odds are that Joseph Bullingam is really Joseph Bullivant?  The only other Bullingams in the country are in the south counties.

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Dave
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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #4 on: Friday 08 May 09 06:39 UTC (UK) »

Further update.

In 1851, John Booker (with same son, John Booker) is married to a Mary in Wadsley Bridge.  Mary must have passed away prior to 1861.
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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #5 on: Friday 08 May 09 08:11 UTC (UK) »
A possible marriage (only 3 on the page):

Marriages Mar 1856 Sheffield 9c 972
Booker  John       
Bullivant Jane        

So it could well be him.

Deryck
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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #6 on: Friday 08 May 09 08:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi bradfordlad & Deryk Smiley

Well I think you have it Grin Well done Grin

There are only 2 deaths post 1845 / before 1856 , for Charles Bullivant any county in England .My favourite is;

Charles Bullivant
June 1847
Liverpool
20 628

If this is his death we would not find him other than on 1841 Census.

We just have to find Jane and Joseph in 1851 now.

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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #7 on: Friday 08 May 09 09:59 UTC (UK) »
Hi Trish,

I did look for Jane and Charles in 1851, they are very well hidden. Not too many Charles Bullivant deaths, the Liverpool death was my favourite to.

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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #8 on: Friday 08 May 09 11:18 UTC (UK) »
Hi Deryk,

Me too, cant find them . I even tried under Henderson Roll Eyes

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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #9 on: Friday 08 May 09 12:18 UTC (UK) »
I've searched Yorkshire BMD no Joseph Burringham born there. There is in IGI in Leeds a Charles Bollyfant who married in Leeds in  St Peters 16 feb 1836  to a Jane Pettler. Could Jane be unfortunate to be widowed twice?
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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #10 on: Friday 08 May 09 13:44 UTC (UK) »
Hi Duckweed,

The IGI has the marriage as this;

Charles BOLLIVANT
Jane PETTLER
Same date etc as yours.

Yes looked under Bollivant too Roll Eyes

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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #11 on: Friday 08 May 09 16:24 UTC (UK) »
Wow!

The help and feedback is amazing.  You guys are awesome!

Yes, the Liverpool death cert for Charles interests me very much.  In fact, I ordered it from GRO last week.  Should be in my grubby little hands by next week.  I also placed an order for another Charles death cert from Chorley, Lancs 1857.

Dave
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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #12 on: Friday 08 May 09 19:11 UTC (UK) »
Let me ask everyone this.

I have Joseph's birth certificate listing Charles as the father and Jane as the mother.  For Jane it is listed as Jane (late Harrison).

I'm used to seeing 'nee' or 'formerly'.  Would the use of 'late' imply a former husband's last name or her actual maiden name?

I'm curious to see if Jane was born Jane Harrison, married a Pettler, then Bullivant, then Booker.

Here's another thing.  You don't suppose Jane was a Peddlar (Charles was a Hawker) and the misspelling was put in the wrong column?  I know, long shot, but I've seen stranger things.

Cheers

Dave
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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 10 May 09 03:30 UTC (UK) »

Anything is possible Grin

I am not sure about women having occp on marriage certs in England in those times Huh

Yes, mistakes can happen though. My g/grandfathers marriage cert 1869, NZ, has his Mother as Martha Cooper, I have discovered that Cooper is his fathers occupation and his Mother was Martha Haigh Roll Eyes

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Re: Looking for a Charles Bullivant
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 10 May 09 03:38 UTC (UK) »

Maybe the marriage cert of Jane Booker and John Booker could provide clues Roll Eyes



There is also a death of;
Jane BOOKER
June 1875
Sheffield
9c 330
Age 61 ( circa 1817)


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