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Topic: *COMPLETE* I'm stuck!! Help please... (Read 715 times)
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HeatherL
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Hey,
I don't suppose anyone could help me out, I think I've hit a bit of a blank space in info. Nothing seems to be coming up!!!
I'm trying to track down ANYTHING relating to:
Thomas SNADDON married Elizabeth DRYSDALE on 21 Nov 1904 in Alloa. Wedding cert lists parents as Robert SNADDON and Margaret .... (can't read her maiden name, looks like it starts with 'Harr'... possibly ends in 'ver').
Have found Robert and Margaret SNADDON in the 1901 and 1891 census', but they aren't showing up prior to that. As far as I can tell, their oldest son was also a Robert, born ~1874, so I'm assuming that they married somewhere between 1870-1874
Robert born ~1845
Margaret born ~1856
Son, Thomas born ~1884
I can't seem to find birth or marriage records for any of them. The only marriage for a Robert and Margaret that is REMOTELY close, lists bride as Margaret BRYNE which doesn't look anything like what is on son's wedding cert.
Any ideas?
Cheers
Heather
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Snaddon (and variations... of which there appear to be many...)
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andycand
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Hi Heather
There is a family in the 1881 with father Robert born Tillicoultry, c1843, wife Catherine but the 4 children match with 1891. Perhaps Catherine died and Robert remarried
Andy
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Piglet01
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Yes Andy/Heather
The IGI shows 19 Robert Snaddon/Sneddons marrying in Scotland between 1871/75
One 'extracted ' record to a Catherine Harrower on 01 Jan 1973 in Tillicoultry.
I'd do an SP search for a death of the lady above - good chance it'll be her?
Regards, Steve :O)
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Borders: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson, Turner, Bertram, Watson
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andycand
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Hi Heather
It looks like SP has a birth for a Thomas SNADDEN born 1883 Tillicoultry who could be yours. I would start there to see if its your Thomas and check the mothers name. There is also a death of a Catherine SNADDEN in 1883. I wonder if Catherine was Thomas's mother and died shortly after his birth.
The IGI has a Robert SNADDEN born Tillicoultry 11 Oct 1873, father Robert, mother Catherine HARROWER.
There are 2 marriages in Clackmannanshire between 1883 & 1891 between Robert SNADDON & Margaret, one of these maybe yours.
The wife Catherine in 1881 census was born in Tillicoultry and Margaret in 1891 born Killin, Perthshire so they are definately two different people
Can I suggest that when you are searching you use SNADD* as that will pick up variations in spelling, also when you are search for Thomas's birth search on SNADD* leave first name blank, 1881-1891, Tillicoultry and you should get 23 matches. As well as Thomas you should also have the 2 younger children (from the 1891 census). One of these should give you Roberts second wife, Margarets surname. Assuming of course I'm on the right track
Andy
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mariac
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Hi Heather,
Perhaps you could put up on here the portion of the marriage of Thomas and Elizabeth showing the mothers name. Someone may be able to decipher it for you.
The 2 marriages Andy mentioned in Clackmannan do not bring up any Margaret beginning with Ha* as a surname.
Snaddon/Sneddon/Snoddon etc are very hard to figure out. I have them in my tree also.
Regards
Mariac
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andycand
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Hi Mariac
I'm wondering if the mothers name on the marriage certificate has been mixed up and is the first name of Thomas's step-mother (Margaret) and surname of birth mother (Harrower). I think Margaret is the mother of the 2 younger children and the birth certificates of both Thomas and one of the younger children should help clarify it.
Andy
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mariac
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Hi Andy,
Yes its quite possible that could happen. I have had it a couple of time on my tree.
Agree andy a couple of SP certs would be all that is needed to verify what you are saying.
I have just put the 1881 and 1891 census up for Heather to see that they appear to be the same family with different mother.
1891Woodhead Row Tillicoultry Clackmannanshire
Tillicoultry; ED: 6; Page: 2
Robert Snaddon 1845 Tillicoultry, Clackmananshire Coalminer
Margaret Snaddon 1856 Killin, Perthshire
Robert Snaddon 1874 Tillicoultry, Clackmananshire coalminer
Maggie Snaddon 1876 do Bobbin Winder
James Snaddon 1878 do Woolen Piecer
Annie Snaddon 1881 do
Thomas Snaddon 1883 Tillicoultry, Clackmananshire
Peter Snaddon 1889 do
George Snaddon 1890 do
1881 1 Condies Row Tillicoultry Clackmannanshire
Tillicoultry; ED: 6; Page: 23
Robert Snaddon 1843 Tillicoultry, Clackmannanshire coalminer
Catherine Snaddon 1853 do
Robert Snaddon1874 Tillicoultry, Clackmannanshire
Margaret Snaddon 1876 Tillicoultry, Clackmannanshire
James Snaddon 1878 do
Anne Snaddon 1880 do
Regards
Mariac
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HeatherL
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Maria, it looks the same... but if that's the case, howcome in the 1901 and 1891 census all of the children have Margaret listed as their mother? If Margaret was a stepmother and Catherine their birth mother, wouldn't the birth mother be listed?
Have attached bit of thomas and elizabeth's wedding cert. Can't make out Mum's maiden name
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HeatherL
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Stop press!!!
Andy, I just found a Thomas Snadden, born Dec 1882 to Robert Snaddon and Catherine, who's name is just as undecipherable as margaret's on marriage cert, but the name looks kinda similar.
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andycand
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Hi HeatherL
Relationships on censuses are to the head of the household ie Robert so in 1891 Margaret was Roberts wife and all the children were sons or daughters of Robert and in 1881 Catherine was Roberts wife. The fact that the children may have had different mothers is irrelavent, Robert (as far as we know) was the father of them all.
The mothers maiden name name on the marriage certificate says HARROWER. As I said in an earlier message I suspect that an error has been made on the certificate and that the mother should be CATHERINE HARROWER. If you download the birth certificate of Thomas this should confirm it, and I suspect Margaret is the mother of Peter and George so a copy of one of their birth certificates should give you Margarets maiden surname.
Unfortunately errors can occur on certificates in fact an incorrect mothers name is the cause of one of my brickwalls. As its the minister who registers a marriage he may have made a mistake.
Just seen your other messages, as censuses, except for 1841, were conducted late march, early april an 8 yo in 1891 would have been born between early April 1882 and early april 1883 so a Dec 1882 would be 8yo in the 1891 census.
As a number of records appear to have an E as the second last letter rather than an O your best bet would be to use SNADD*N which would pick up both options.
Andy
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andycand
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Hi
Whilst Maggie is sometimes used as a name it is more often a nickname for Margaret so it looks like BROWN was Margarets maiden name. Have a look for a marriage in Clackmannanshire 1883 to 1891 between Robert SNADD*N and Margaret BROWN.
Andy
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andycand
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Hi
SP has the following death in 1922 at Tillicoultry which is a likely candidate for Margaret
Margaret SNADDON, other name BROWN age 67
SP also has the following marriage in 1884 at Dunblane (Perthshire)
Robert SNADDON and Maggie BROWN
Dunblane is only about 9 miles from Tillicoultry.
The 1881 census has a Maggie BROWN born Kilmadock, Perthshire c1856 living in Tillcoultry and the IGI has a Margaret BROWN, father Peter, mother Jean MCDEARMID born Kilmadock 9th April 1855
Andy
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