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Topic: Are all the names listed on one-name websites necessarily interconnected? (Read 1212 times)
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Keith Sherwood
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One's native place is the shell of one's soul...
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Hi, Everyone,
Have recently been trying to trace back the CROW family of London , but who appear to originate earlier from the Lincoln area. Running through some of the male members is the forename DOCKERY, as in Roland Dockery CROW, b.1891, and his grandfather George Dockery CROW, b. 1830.
It appears that George Dockery CROW's mother was a Susannah KNOWLES, baptised 04-01-1801 at St Mary Le Wigford Lincoln, parents Peregrine KNOWLES and Mary (nee JACKSON).
What is slightly bizarre is that at least from 1808 onwards Peregrine begins to call himself Peregrine Knowles DOCKERY and with Mary he produces at least 3 other daughters up to 1812. He dies in 1825, and his widow Mary lives to the ripe old age of 94, calling herself Mary DOCKERY in the Censuses where she subsequently appears.
Now, I happened to look on the DOCWRA family website on the internet, which boasts some pretty impressive early ancestors, and was surprised to see those three 1808-1812 baptisms listed there, with the parents' names given as Peregrine Knowles DOCKERA and Mary JACKSON.
Would this mean that the curiously-named Peregrine was definitely a member of the DOCWRA clan, or has someone simply added him to the DOCWRA melting pot?
This DOCKERY name that flits in and out of the CROW family is particularly strange, in that Peregrine was simply referring to himself as Peregrine KNOWLES, baptised with that name 15-04-1773 at St Mark's Lincoln. So where does DOCKERY suddenly magically materialise from, and what have the DOCWRA family got to do with it?
I'm puzzled, I expect any unsuspecting Rootschatter who reads this must be totally confused, too...
Very best wishes,
keith
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Spidermonkey
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Keith, I think that answer very much depends upon who is collating the names! That said, the majority of one name studies I have come across are a collection of all examples of that one name, perhaps gathered after trawling through census returns.
Not sure that helps you work out whether your Peregrine fits in anywhere, sorry!
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Keith Sherwood
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Spidermonkey,
Thanks very much for those comments...I've tried e-mailing an address on that DOCWRA website, but as the last update seemed to suggest 2004, I'm not too hopeful of eliciting a response,
keith
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behindthefrogs
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My own Edlin one name study which I have not published on a website consists of six major families which so far are not connected, although I anticipate that this could be reduced to three.
I also have about thirty small family groups, each of about three generations which are unconnected and a file of a few hundred unconnected people.
Incidently I have not trawled the census, bmd or any of the other major sources to collect these names although I do use these sources to try to establish connections.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Springbok
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Hi Keith,
many family names are unlikely to be even remotely connected.
Take any name associated with a occupation back in the dim and distant .
Miller, Baker ,Fuller,Tanner ,Fletcher were all village professions and could well have started out as John the miller to distinguish him from John the Archer, in one ville, only in the next hamlet , John the Archers cousin was known as Peter , Michels'son.
In Latter years when a particular name had been used for a couple of generations ,and had sometimes altered its spelling then yes ,maybe it is possible to find a mutual ancestor.
With those provisos, then One Name Studies are valid to perhaps the 13th Century and further back if a name is connected to well documented family
Spring
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Dorset: Ackerman,Bungey,Bunter Chant,Hyle
Islington:Bedford, Eaton,Wilkins
Beds,Fulham: Brazier
Shoreditch: Burton,Coverdale
Essex ,Clerkenwell:Craswell,Cresswell
St.Lukes Middx:Doughty, Dunkley
Andover/IOW/Fulham:Gasser
Fulham: Neal
Bucks:Putnam,Wingrove
Bullwell.Notts:Wilkinson
Clerkenwell/Islington:Wyllie
Herts/ Tottenham/Walthamstow:Young
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Keith Sherwood
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Posts: 3512
One's native place is the shell of one's soul...
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Hi again, Lady Di,
There need to be lots of questions posed to solve this particular puzzle, so I appreciate you firing away with them! I just wonder too who saw fit to add those three baptisms to the DOCWRA website collection...
And thanks very much for those interesting and relevant comments on one-name sites, Springbok and David,
regards, keith
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Keith Sherwood
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Hi again,
All very interesting aspects of this theme re One-Name studies and websites.
A bit irritating of me then, perhaps, to pick up on the specifics of the puzzle over this KNOWLES/DOCKERY adoption...
However, I've been looking again at the IGI entries, and Peregrine KNOWLES seems to become Peregrine Knowles DOCKERAY at the baptism of daughter Mary Ann as early as 1803.
So, recapitulating, Peregrine KNOWLES and Mary JACKSON marry on 17th Nov 1800 in Lincoln, and have a daughter Susannah KNOWLES bapt: 04-10-1801. Thereafter, from 1803 thru to 1812, they have 4 more daughters (one of whom dies within months), all with the DOCKERAY surname after their father, reinvented as Peregrine Knowles DOCKERAY.
The other odd thing is that the mother Mary DOCKERY/AY was 94 when she died in 1859, giving her a birth year of about 1764/5. If she was indeed the mother of the (second) Sarah DOCKERAY bapt. 1812, she would have been 48 years old then. Not impossible, I suppose...
Still scratching my head...
keith
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Keith Sherwood
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Ron,
Yes, I think I deserve your mild chastisement! But thanks for having a look around for me. Mary DOCKERY does indeed appear in the 1841 Census in Ballingdon, Sudbury, Essex - I've started a thread on the Suffolk boards to clarify exactly where that was. She's had her age rounded down to 70, and is living with her (presumably) daughter Susannah CROW's family.
And yes, there is a plague of Mary Jackson's born at about the right time, just to confuse matters.
I imagine I'm going to have to pay a visit to Lincoln to look in the St Swithin PR's, amongst several others,
Regards, keith
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Selina
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Hi Keith,
I have a very similar thing with dual use of surnames see
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,169740.0.html.
I was lucky in that THJ read my query and had a Will that appears to contain the answer.
I have still not been able to find a baptism of my Barnabas Stevens/Brighty or the marriage of his mother, Alice surname unknown, who married ? Stevens.
Regards
Selina
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Gaie
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CenInf Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hmm, what an extraordinary name Peregrine Knowles was!
Now I know that the familysearch data is incomplete, but entering his name, all years, England, only brings up his birth/christening and marriage records!! A familysearchwhack of sorts.... 
So he probably wasn't hiding when he added Docker(a)y to his name.
I wondered whether any of his siblings had also adopted the Docker(a)y name. However, the only other Knowles born in St Marks, Lincoln was Jane b 1733  No Dockerys christened in the parish.
Peregrine's parents were William & Mary. There were no Williams born 1750-1790 to a W&M couple in Lincolnshire; the only Mary to a W&M couple 1750-1790 was ch 18 Jan 1787 in Fiskerton, Lincolnshire (this Batch C028272 also has to a W&M - Hannah 1788, Elizabeth 1789, George 1794, William 1797; no Docker(a)ys christened in the parish).
I cannot see a will for Peregrine on TNA site.
Docker(a)ys and variants 1740-1820 seem to be associated with Cambridgeshire, Cumberland, Lancs, Herts, Yorks.
Keith, do you know Peregrine's occupation? Or that of his children?
As there is an east coast bias for the Dockery name, could Peregrine have had an association with continental Decroy/Decrois businesses? Lace making, cloth manufacture, for example?
Kind regards
Gaie
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Sussex, Burwash/Somerset/South London: PANKHURST/FABLING/GREEN/KING/PARROT/POPE/PEMBROKE
Notts/Leics/London: POLLARD/BELAND/FELLS/MORRISON/MARYSON/CLARKE
Northants: MARRIOT/T
Suffolk: LINGLY/LINGLEY/LINDLY/LINDLEY/ SEAGER /SIGGER/SEGGAR/VINCE
Gloucs: WINDOW Glamorgan: JENKINS Cardiganshire: JONES
Poland: OZIEMKIEWICZ France: LINETTE
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