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akc
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Just a thought but do you have Catharines death certificate?
Only 2 children I can find born to Henry Louttit and Catharine Taylor ( or Hary Loutit and Katrin Tylar) sometimes the spelling is diabolical! are William b 19 May 1800 and Robert born 16 August 1807 both Sandwick. ( I found these 2 on cursiter.com )
Birsay is very much a farming community, next to Sandwick, and not far from Stromness
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Patsy Beech
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Brilliant suggestion akc. I had not found the death index entry for Catharine Brass [nee Louttit] because I was searching in the English records, but once I tried Scotland's records SUCCESS.
Catharine must have returned home - I can see why - the beauty of the Isles against the dirty industry of Tyneside as it was back then - much cleaner now - no industry!
"Catherine Brass widow of Robert Brass, Sailor, died 15th August 1867 in Stromness. She was 65 years old. Her parents were Henry Louttit - Shoemaker - (deceased) & Catherine Louttit maiden surname Taylor (deceased). She died of pneumonia 16 days, and her death was registered by her daughter Catharine Brass."
Therefore Henry Louttit was a man of many talents farmer and shoemaker. So the three sisters (Catherine, Margaret & Jessie) also had two brothers William & Robert - there must somewhere be a son called Henry named after his dad surely!!!!! I wonder where the information on cursiter.com was found regarding the two boys.
I am now going to try and follow the Henry Louttit and Margaret of South Ronaldsay through the census returns and try and identify this Henry Louttit death certificate to see if I can find his parents.
Thank you ever so much for the suggestion of searching for Catharine's death certificate. It proved to be very useful as it was Scottish not English - (English certificates don't have very much information on them - no parents etc.)
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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akc
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This is a brilliant site for south ronaldsay searches: southronaldsay.net
happy hunting
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akc
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Found this in Kirkyard A-Stromness:
ILM of Cathrine Taylor wife of Henry Louttit died Aug 11 1811 aged 67 Robert Louttit son of above died May 13 1829 aged 21. The husband and father of the above lies interred in the graveyard of Sandwick Verse' William Louttit died 18 Jan 1881 aged 80.
Does that solve the Robert and William mystery? havent found a young Henry yet though. Unfortunately Sandwick graveyard has not been transcribed as yet, I was there a couple of months ago and it has an awful lot of graves ( a lot with the same names ) so it would probably take ages to find anybody unless you were lucky. It is a beautiful little church though with a lovely glass window.
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Patsy Beech
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Hello again akc,
You are really coming up with some gems for me, thank you so much.
Just looking at you Kirkyard information do you think Catherine Taylor might have been a bit younger? If she was 67 in 1811 her d.o.b would have been somewhere c1744, and if her son Robert was 21 years old in 1829 then his d.o.b would be c1808 that would mean she was 64 years old when Robert was born and 67 when William was born - ouch! Or have I misunderstood?
I have just noticed something else as I was typing this and looking at the 1861 census for Hartlepool (RG9/370 Folio 81 page 3) Jessie Walter [nee Louttit] has a given age of 46 making her d.o.b. c1815 - 4 years after her mum died - a bit difficult. Is it possible we are looking at two different couples with identical names?
The IGI has a Katherine Taylor christened on 29th September 1776 in Birsay with parents William Taylor & Mary Moar, and Henry Louttit & Catherine Taylor married 22nd November 1798 also in Birsay.
You are really making me want to visit the Orkney Isles, mind it does not take much I love Scotland, and I have even converted my Sassenach husband - a couple of Hogmanay celebrations did the trick!
Well back to the searching - this is better than solving logic problems.
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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Patsy Beech
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Hi Folks - just a bit more!
I have checked out the Henry Louttit (farmer) on South Ronaldsay married to Margaret Rosie and they are not connect - well not so far!
This Henry Louttit died 21st June 1874 aged 73, and his parents were Thomas Louttit (farmer) and Catherine Budge.
Just in case anyone else is searching for Louttit families their children were:-
Catherine born 15.10.1829 - baptised 21.10.1829
Barbara born 16.4.1831 - baptised 24.4.1831
Helen born 26.3.1833 - baptised 28.4.1833
James born 24.8.1835 - baptised 6.9.1835
Betsy born 20.2.1838 - baptised 18.3.1838
Thomas born 13.6.1841 - baptised 4.7.1841
Mary born 1.11.1844 - baptised 7.12.1844
William born 17.6.1847 - baptised 7.7.1847
It was the eldest son James who registered the death of his father Henry.
Patsy
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akc
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I did wonder when I worked out her age on the inscription, possibly whoever transcribed it read her age wrong? another good excuse for me to go to Stromness again! This ancestor hunting certainly gets you out and about
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akc
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Hi again, I found a death for Robert Brass on Scotlands People: Robert Brass married, died 25 November 1860 in Stromness aged 62 yrs mother was Marjorie Marwick and father was Andrew Brass, he died of paralysis and cerebral disease, brother in law William Louttit was witness. It does not give his wifes name or an address.
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Patsy Beech
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First class information again akc.
That fits nicely with the birth for Robert Brass on IGI which gives baptised 1st August 1799 in Sandwick. Parents Androu Brass and Margray Mourick - close enough! You see I always knew my bad spelling would come in useful for something - it helps me to read the information without noticing what order the letters come in or different variations!!!!!
That means when his wife Catharine (nee Louttit) is found on the 1861 census RG9/3786 Folio13, page 14, 1 Lower Thames Street, Westoe, South Shields - District 3 she has only been a widow for a few months, and probably had only been in the north east of England for a short time. She is staying with her youngest daughter Jessie who had married James Lockyer early in 1860, and their first son whom they called Robert (after his granddad no doubt) was only 4 months old so must have been born around the same time as his granddad died. Oh! When the pieces fit isn't it a good feeling?
I have spent a few hours today drawing up the 'Brass Family Tree' so your information about Robert Brass was very well timed. Thank You.
This also confirms that the 3 Louttit sisters Margaret, Jessie & Catharine had a brother called William, no doubt the one who died 18th January 1881 aged 80.
I do hope you enjoy your trip to Stromness, but do pick a day when the weather is fine. I know how strong the winds up there can be. When we were on Dunnet Head last year the wind was playing a tune up the exhaust pipe of the car, and the following day it was calm and glorious sunshine.
Thank you for your continuing help.
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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