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Topic: Elizabeth Mitchell WARREN b. abt 1807 where? (Read 532 times)
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fred2derf
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Elizabeth Mitchell WARREN b. abt 1807 where? d. either in 1883 or 1886 in NSW, Aust.
Married 28 Oct 1828 Castleconnell, Co Limerick
Thomas Eyre POWELL b. abt 1807 Co Limerick d. 15 Nov 1873 Waterloo, NSW, Aust.
If Elizabeth died in 1883 her parents are listed as William & Elizabeth. If she died in 1886 her parents are listed as Joseph & Mary S.
I hope with those parents and the middle name of Mitchell it's possible to find some information about her and her family.
Thanks.
Fred
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shanew147
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To locate anything about Elizabeth and family you will need to try parish records as full Civil registration started here in Ireland in 1864 (non-catholic marriage registration started in 1845)
If she was born near her place of marriage in Co. Limerick then there may be on-line records at the Irish Family History Foundation website at www.irish-roots.ie (costs €5 to view each transcript)
The list of sources shows they have Catholic Castleconnell records but these only go back to 1850 for baptisms and 1863 for marriages. They also seem to be in the process of adding surviving Co. Limerick Church of Ireland records.
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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fred2derf
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Hello Shane,
Thank you. It looks like I have to wait and hope when more records are added that there may be something of interest.
Regards,
Fred
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shanew147
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I just found something on the POWELL line that might be of interest.
in the Nobility, Gentry and Clergy section of Pigots (1824) for Castle-Connell
Captain Ayre Powell , World's-end
the y in Ayre is a little bit unclear, and could possibly be a V.
I wonder could he be a relation of Thomas - maybe even father ?
There are no Warren entries in Castle Connell
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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fred2derf
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Hello Shane,
Thank you very much. The Eyre comes from several generations back. Robert married Anne EYRE in 1717. The POWELL family were very much 'Gentry' holding all sorts of important positions in Ireland, England and India, eg:
Caleb 1730-1797 Collector of the Port of Limerick & High Sheriff of Co. Clonshavey
Stratford 1794-1844 Lt Col HEICS, Adj Gen Bombay, India
Eyre Burton 1795- Registrar of Wills, Somerset House, London
This is the marriage of Thomas Eyre's parents:
Index to Diocese of Killala and Achonry
Marriage Bonds 1801
Eyre Powell & Mary Barrett p.120
I have found a lot of information on the POWELL family on the internet including some trees but no definite information to show where Eyre & Mary fit in.
Regards,
Fred
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LH
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Hi,
From an earlier posting, I gather Thomas Powell and Elizabeth Warren married in the C-o-I Church. If that is so, Stradbally would be the relevant parish.
I've gone through the actual Marriage Register for 1828 and there is definitely no sign of this Powell-Warren marriage.
Beginning 1829, there are baptisms for children born to Thomas & Elizabeth "Powel". The names of these children are Eyre, Hannah Catherine and Mary Elizabeth.
I looked for other Warrens - I'd have expected to find (births, marriages or deaths) - but didn't find even one. It looks like Elizabeth Warren may have married Thomas in her own Parish ..... but where was that??
Where did you get the names of Elizabeth's parents? I know of a marriage in 1796 in Stradbally of a William Warren (no address) and Honor Fitzgerald of Castleconnell.
Cheers
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fred2derf
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Hello LH,
Thank you very much for looking. A lot of the information I have is unconfirmed and probably unreliable. The date and place of the marriage in 1828 comes from a privately submited IGI entry that has the wrong date of death for Thomas Eyre POWELL. All I can say is that it's not a RC marriage. Many of the children married in CofE church in Sydney, NSW.
Almost the only information I have on Elizabeth Mitchell WARREN is that the 11th of 13 children was named Elizabeth Mitchell after her.
Spouse Thomas died in Waterloo, NSW. The two possible deaths for Elizabeth are:
6007/1886 POWELL ELIZABETH M JOSEPH MARY S WATERLOO
2921/1883 POWELL ELIZABETH WILLIAM ELIZABETH PETERSHAM
There could be errors in those. For example the William may be correct and the Elizabeth may not be. I don't know and at the moment I can't afford to purchase one or both of those reg. When all other options have been exhausted I'll think about adding one of the deaths to a list of purchases.
I have the children as:
Eyre b. 11 Oct 1829 ?
Robert Bevan b. 27 Mar 1831 ?
James Eyre b. abt 1832 ?
Anna Catherine b. 25 Nov 1832 ?
Stratford James b. abt 1833 ?
Margaret Frances b. 31 Aug 1834 ?
Mary Elizabeth b. 5 Nov 1835 ?
William Henry b. abt 1837 ? [My connection to the family]
Sydney b. 7 Mar 1839 'bv' 'Susan'
Others born in NSW and no sign of any daughters named Honor.
Could you please give me the baptisms - they will be more reliable I'm sure than the birth dates I currently have.
Thanks.
Regards,
Fred
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cwood91262
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Fred and Louise:
I found the christenings for the children of Elizabeth Mitchell Warren and Thomas Powell in the Stradbally Church of Ireland parish registers. The registers, as Louise has indicated, are held at the RCB in Dublin. Somewhere, someone has given me a marriage date of 28 Oct 1828 for Elizabeth and Thomas, but it is not sourced in my stuff, so I've no idea where it occurred or even if this is an accurate date.
I found precise christening dates for the following children:
Eyre, 11 Oct 1829
Robert Bevan, 27 March 1831
Anna Catherine, 24 November 1832
Margaret Frances, 31 August 1834
Mary Elizabeth, 5 Nov 1835.
In speaking with another descendant of Elizabeth and Thomas, I am fairly certain the child she identified as James Eyre, dying in 1878 in Sydney, NSW, with an extrapolated year of birth of 1832 is probably Eyre, christened in 1829.
The descendant also identified a son, Stratford James, born circa 1834, no death date known, but I've no information to support this, save his marriage to a Charlotte Hawthorne in 1861.
As well, the info I got from this descendant identified Elizabeth as the one who died in 1886, but with parents of William and Elizabeth, which appears to be a complete merging of the 2 possible death certs!
Additional children I have for Elizabeth and Thomas are:
William Henry, born circa 1837
Sydney, 7 March 1839
Burton, 1842
Elizabeth Mitchell, 4 Feb 1845
Emily Herbert 19 Oct 1848
and her twin, George, 19 Oct 1848.
Sydney and the younger children were all born in NSW, I am not certain where William Henry was born, but I myself have never found a christening record for him.
I can give you more history on Thomas' family, and can take his line back to roughly 1550.
Cindy Wood
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Tipperary, Limerick
Powell, Keas, Keays, Going, Acheson, Bradshaw, Parker, Myles
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fred2derf
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Hello Cindy,
Thank you very much for the extra info.
The shipping reels according to a researcher who works for NSW State Records shows a male POWELL born on the vessel 'Susan' so it has to be the son they named Sydney. There were two vessels named 'Susan' and the records are a bit confused even by seasoned researchers. I've not had a chance to personally view the reels yet. It seems the POWELL family were not on the vessel that originated in Londonderry according to that staff member. That is just one puzzle still to be solved. As you are aware there are other grey areas still.
Regards,
Fred
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