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Topic: Stephen Baker/Phoebe Rossiter 1881/1891 (Read 919 times)
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nelwild
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shane,with phoebe born canterbury,the sittinbourne connection for betsey,the rossiter name in the mix,living near folkstone on 1881,all my instincts are telling me this is phoebe,but thats all it is,just instinct.how it all fits together is a bit beyond me after a drop of the old tati parni.ill have another look now and see if i can find anything.i think itd be an idea to start a new thread on the reids,and see if anyone can find george/betseys marriage,nel.
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casalguidi
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Looking at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com and http://extranet3.kent.gov.uk/sp/rois/marriagesearch.cfm shows what could be a double wedding with the other couple being William ROSSITER and Emily GRANT:
1901 - Horley, Surrey
William ROSSITER head mar 39 traveller/hawker b.Maidstone Kent
Emily wife 29 b.Maidstone Kent
Joseph son 15 b.Maidstone Kent
RG13/629 folio 68 page 21
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Forgetting about them for now and looking for any "travelling" Phoebe born about the same time as yours in Kent brings up:
1871 travellers on Barming Heath, Barming, Kent
Henry SMITH head mar 35 b.Tonbridge
Barbara wife 37 b.Milton Kent
Mary Ann dau 11 b.Chesterfield Suffolk
William son 8 b.West Farleigh Kent
Phebe dau 5 b.Canterbury
Caroline dau 3 b.Mitcham Surrey
Celina dau 2 b.Nettlestead
RG10/939 folio 154 page 27
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1861 - tent, Willesborough, Kent
Henry GUMBRILL head mar 22 b.Tunbridge Kent
Barbara wife 24 b.Canterbury
Mary Ann dau 3 b.Chesterfield Cambridgeshire
RG9/515 folio 71 page 9
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Looking for baptisms of any children, there is Selina GUMBREL dau of Henry & Barbara baptised at Nettlestead 1868 http://www.familysearch.org so can be pretty sure that the SMITH and GUMBRILL families above are one and the same.
Have to go now but will get back to it later (I have a possible theory).
Casalguidi 
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casalguidi
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Could Barbara be a ROSSITER and all her kids illegitimate? There is a Barbaressa ROSSITER baptised 1837 Canterbury dau of Thomas & Barbara http://www.familysearch.org
If this theory is correct then this would make Barbara/Barbaressa (Phoebe's mum) sister to Thomas ROSSITER who married Ruth BAKER (Stephen's parents) thus Stephen BAKER and Phoebe ROSSITER would be first cousins. Possible?
Casalguidi
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casalguidi
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Possible link to READ/REED/REID:
Caroline ROSSITER married John READ Thanet registration district 1889 http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
1891 - 11 Ellington Cottages, St Lawrence Ramsgate, Kent
John READ head mar30 scissor grinder b.Canterbury
Caroline wife 24 b.Sittingborne
RG12/732 folio 155 page 30
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shaneooo
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You have been busy Casalguidi  , this looks very promising, but i'd like to tie it up with a certificate, i'll be having a look over the next couple of days, again many thanks for your time, your a star .
shane.
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Baker, kent
Goldsmith, kent
Perfect, kent
Rattigan, moate eire
Pennell, thanet, Faversham
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beeb
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Hi again Shane, and Hi to Nel, I believe I am a descendant of the Stephen Baker who married Phoebe Harris.
Stephen and Phoebe married on 16 March 1885 at Holy Cross Canterbury where a lot of my Baker family events took place. Stephen's brother Albert Baker was the father of Albert John who married Elizabeth Goldsmith, daughter of Thomas Goldsmith and Elizabeth Kenny. Stephen and Albert's father was also Stephen and he married Jane Elizabeth Read, Stephen was born in Hoath, Kent and Jane in Chislet. As far as I know they were not Travellers.
I think there were Rossiters living in Canterbury around St.Peter's and Holy Cross, I'll have a look through some old notes later.
Coincidence Shane us both having a Stephen Baker.
Best wishes, Brenda
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shaneooo
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Hello Brenda, coincidences are what make this so addictive, just when you think youve sussed it something or someone throws a spanner in the works!
My stephen and phoebe were married in 1889 at st peters, folkstone.
Just a note on the read/reid/reed name, some were travellers, john reed was a witness at moses goldsmith and sarah stone mar 1847 ashford, there are some other reads that i had a look at a couple of months ago. I think there was another roots chatter trying to find your baker family from canterbury on this forum under the possilbility they were travellers.
talk soon,
shane.
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Baker, kent
Goldsmith, kent
Perfect, kent
Rattigan, moate eire
Pennell, thanet, Faversham
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beeb
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Hi coz, there were travelling Bakers in Canterbury, I used to correspond with a somebody who was looking for that surname in Canterbury. Eventually he found a Traveller connection with Baker and Scamp. He has or had a website with information on his family. I tried a link to it the other day but couldn't get to it, I think that was through a link on another website.
It was a lady who found Moses & Sarah Goldsmith's marriage for me and I thought she said she had Rossiters who were near neighbours of my Bakers in Canterbury, but I think now it was Tappendens.
All the best, Brenda
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beeb
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Hi Shane, turning out old papers today prior to a move (I hope) before the end of the year. Came across that information that I mentioned before which goes something like this - Thomas Rossiter married Barbara, they had son James who m. (3)Susan and they had a son William (or Belcher or Matty abt. 1879) he m. Emily Tappenden 1900, had dau. Caroline.
Emily Tappenden, b.1882 was daughter of William Tappenden and Susan Ann Baker and Susan was daughter of George Baker and Sarah King.
I hope that is of some help, it was in a letter dated 1997 from a fellow researcher who has a great website full of information about Travelling/Gypsy people. I am sure you will have seen it.
Hope you and family are well,
Love, Brenda
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shaneooo
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Hi Brenda, were all fine thankyou, hope you are too. .
I gave mickey's dau in law your email address to pass on, has she made contact with you.
It looks like im going to go with Casalguidis theory about barbara rossiter being phoebes mother, ive looked at someones tree that shows barbara with henry smith but doesnt show any children, maybe this information is from word of mouth and not the internet? hope to find a baptism to sort it out.
thanks, shane.
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Baker, kent
Goldsmith, kent
Perfect, kent
Rattigan, moate eire
Pennell, thanet, Faversham
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beeb
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Just a quick reply Shane, didn't hear from Mickey, I hope it didn't disappear with my spam sucker-upper. I forgot to say that Mrs. Haigger had Thomas Rossiter's wife as Barbara Lee.
All the best and happy hunting.
Love Brenda
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