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Topic: Edward Owen Marks - another try (Read 387 times)
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RRYFS
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Since I asked last time, we've found out a bit more and wonder if any of you kind NZ people could help.
Edward Owen Marks b.1863 on Brownsea Island, Dorset. We have him with his family in Columbus, Ohio in the 1880 census, and then nothing until he now turns up on board SS Ionic arriving in Sydney from Auckland on 6th May 1916. We have no idea how long he was in New Zealand or whether any of his family were there with him. The family members we have not been able to account for after 1880 are:
William Benjamin Marks b.1838 Rotherhithe, Surrey
Martha Marks (nee Tilley) b.1837 Poole, Dorset
Alice Sophia Marks b.1867 Brownsea Island, Dorset
Thomas Marks b.1872? probably in USA
and possibly another girl (maybe Sybil) b.1874 in USA
We have no idea what Edward was doing in New Zealand - it took another 2 years before he returned to USA, where he then remained, dieing in Florida in 1945 three years after his sister, Clara, with whom he lived from 1918.
On his travels his occupation was always given as "potter", in which he followed after his father.
Any help would be gratefully received.
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RRYFS
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Hi Lu
Sorry if you feel I should have responded last time. I felt that was what I was doing with this thread, as you asked for further details of the Marks family.
I am researching this branch of the Tilley family with help from another Tilley spouse. It has taken from my previous request till now to gather additional info. The US thread you found summed up my thoughts when it was posted, as the actual manifest for his return to the US looked doubtful. However, my co-researcher who had Ancestry access found the "Ionic" manifest with Edward's arrival in Sydney from Auckland, hence confirming the details on the other manifest, which obviously was intended to read that he had come from Auckland (VIA) Australia. I have looked at the sources you suggested, and there is a Thomas Marks death in 1918 (age not given) and 2 possible WW1 service records for Thomas Marks. Without some clear indication that any of the family other than Edward went to NZ, I am unlikely to pursue these at present. As you indicated there was no inbound Marks record from UK, and there appear to be no records of voyages from US to NZ, it looks unlikely we will find out more. Of course as a single man in his 50s perhaps Edward was just on some sort of world tour, though it took him 2 years from arriving in Sydney to returning to the US (though there was a war on!).
Perhaps we should just be satisfied that we know where Edward ultimately ended up - died in Florida in 1945.
Thanks anyway for pointing out some additional sources of info.
Richard
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Lucy2
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Sorry if you feel I should have responded last time. I felt that was what I was doing with this thread, as you asked for further details of the Marks family.
 Well, really it's just a matter of "good old-fashioned courtesy" ... and in practical terms, it seems prudent to post "further details of the Marks family" to the particular thread, on which the question was asked.
I have looked at the sources you suggested, and there is a Thomas Marks death in 1918 (age not given) and 2 possible WW1 service records for Thomas Marks.
Without some clear indication that any of the family other than Edward went to NZ, I am unlikely to pursue these at present.
The Thomas MARKS death - 1918 - aged "not recorded" refers to the death (in action) of a New Zealand-born soldier. He was the son of Emily and Jabez MARKS of Auckland, NZ.
A second Thomas MARKS who served with the (NZ) Canterbury Infantry Regiment (WW1) was Australian-born, and the son of Robert and Alice MARKS of Christchurch, NZ.
Lu
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RRYFS
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The Thomas MARKS death - 1918 - aged "not recorded" refers to the death (in action) of a New Zealand-born soldier. He was the son of Emily and Jabez MARKS of Auckland, NZ.
A second Thomas MARKS who served with the (NZ) Canterbury Infantry Regiment (WW1) was Australian-born, and the son of Robert and Alice MARKS of Christchurch, NZ.
Lu
Hi Lu
Thanks for that - with this info and jorose's kind assistance it looks like Edward was probably the only one to visit New Zealand, and as you kindly did a search of inbound passengers which did not find him, it seems unlikely we shall find out how long he stayed.
Thanks again
Richard
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RRYFS
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Hi Jorose
Thanks for your help. I am now looking further in Illinois records to see what else I can find. I should have done this before, since I already knew that when Edward returned from New Zealand (via Australia and Liverpool!) in 1918 he was going to live with his sister Clara, who was a teacher in Chicago. When she retired, they moved to Florida.
I found the Rootsweb reference, and that certainly looks like Alice, but the "ilsos.gov" website won't open for me. I will try again as I can't believe that the Illinois Secretary of State website doesn't work! I wasn't sure who the Montana reference referred to - were Alice and her husband living there?
Thanks again
Richard
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Just Moi
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Hi RRYFS,
Do you have his christening information? I found the following record online at a commercial site. I will try to find further info, particularly passenger lists. I am in NSW Australia.
Cheers, JM
Edward Owen Marks Christening Date: 12 Apr 1863 Christening Place: Brownsea, Dorset, England
Father's Name: William Marks Mother's Name: Martha
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Just Moi
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Bit More,
In the Unassisted arrivals to NSW Aust
This is for a Mrs E O Marks, arriving Sydney NSW Aust on the "Indarra"from London to Sydney New South Wales, arriving 5 Feb 1920
Cheers, JM
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RRYFS
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Hi JM
Thanks for that. I have actually seen the parish register entries for the baptisms of Edward and most of his siblings, together with the deaths of two of his brothers and his grandmother's husband. All were on Brownsea Island which is in Poole Harbour in Dorset and housed an industrial pottery in the mid to late 19th century, raising the island's population to over 250. Our eldest daughter was married there earlier this month, and I was able to spend some time in St Mary's church. The island is owned by the National Trust, and there is a volunteer in the church who spends her summer there talking to visitors to the island. She has a copy of the registers, family trees of island families, etc and even plays tunes on the harmonium!
We don't have any evidence that Edward was ever married - the records we have seen all say "single" and after his return to the US in 1918 he lived with his unmarried sister Clara who was a teacher in Chicago. When she retired, they moved to Florida where they both died in the 1940s.
When we found he had been in New Zealand, we were looking for evidence of any other members of his family, who we could not find after 1880. With the help received on this thread, we think we have now tracked down all but one (or two) of his siblings - we are still working on his parents after 1880! I think your Mrs E O Marks must be a coincidence.
We don't know how long Edward was in Australia between his arrival on 6th May 1916 and his return to New York (from Liverpool) on 5th April 1918.
Thanks
Richard
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Just Moi
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Hi RRYFS,
I'm not sure that I can help with figuring out what he did after arriving NSW in May 1916. You may find it sensible to search the NSW newspapers that are currently being digitised by the National Library of Australia. The main newspaper in wide circulation in NSW at that time was the Sydney Morning Herald, however the digitised editions covering up to 1954 (from 1830's) are being processed and are not yet online. I am sure if you keep an eye on the Australian RChat board, you will know when the "smh" is online!
Cheers, Good Luck, JM
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