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Topic: Caernarvon Lookup Request- Robert Jones born C1837 (Read 967 times)
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ceiriog1
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I'm desperately looking for the birth/marriage record of Robert Jones born C1837. He was married we think in Caernarvon as I've found his widow and child in the census. He died at sea in 1867 on the Edward Allison as the ship was never heard of again after it sailed. He was married to Annie and had a daughter called Ann (born C1867) and a son William. We believe his mother was Moriah (various spellings) Lester. I would sincerely appreciate any help/advice. Many thanks. Cari
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wendy47
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Hi Cari
What is the census year & number you found Ann?
Where and what year was Ann & the children born?
Wendy 
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COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
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CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
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"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
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Gadget
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Hi Cari
Welcome to Rootschat
I've just checked Free BMD for marriages of a Robert Jones and an Ann/variations in Caenarvon 1864-67. There are 3. They could have married before this but it's a starting point
Did Annie marry again?
As Wendy says, census ref and age/place of birth of Annie would help us help you
Gadget
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Jo Harding
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Hello Cari,
There are many of the parish registers transcribed for Caernafon on Freereg http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi
I have entered the details and as you might imagine, came up with very many hits. The words needle and haystack come to mind.
Also, you have to bear in mind that there were very many non conformist chapels too. A number of these have not made their records available to the public.
Good luck!
Jo
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ceiriog1
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Thank you all so much for your replies
I have also looked through all the online sources and fear that it may be impossible..
I have found Annie (widow, born C1841) living with her daughter and son in law on the 1891 census Llanbeblig (district 12) on page 11. Ann (daughter of Robert and Annie) married Watkin Williams (a name a little easier for research). It states that they were all born in Carnarvon.
I can't seem to find any record of them before this date (Ann Jones, daughter, lived at 54 Chapel Street before her marriage to Watkin)
I've managed to locate Robert Jones's merchant seaman certificate number (also states born in Carnarvon) and these records are held at Kew which may give more info about him but living in Devon makes research difficult
All advice/suggestions are most welcome, many thanks. Cari
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ceiriog1
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I'm also not very familiar with the census data - do you know whether carnarvon was always recorded under district 12 as this district seems to be missing from some of the earlier census?
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Jo Harding
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Hello Cari,
You have my sympathies as I have had similar trouble finding my Roberts, Williams and Rees ancestors.
Can I ask what information you have to suggest that Robert's mother was Moriah Lester? What name variations have you found for Moriah?
I did find a marriage of Thomas Lester to Jane Jones in Llanbeblig Parish Church in 18 March 1837. Wonder if there could be a connection with your family?
I also wondered if Robert Jones could have gone from Wales with his parents and that is why he cannot be found in the census. There is a Robert Jones who sailed out on the Hindoo in 1842. His father shown as a quarryman and from Caernarfon. Mother is not Moriah however.
I have found entries for Llanbeblig in the 1841 and 1851 census returns.
Best wishes,
Jo
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Jo Harding
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Hello Cari,
There are several baptisms of Lester children, all of whose parents are Richard and Margaret Lester, in Llan Rhos (Eglwys Rhos) Caernarfonshire in the period 1807- 1817. Mother's surname was Edwards.
One of these is a Mary Lester baptised 20 January 1814.
Another is that of Thomas Lester who was baptised 13/12/1807.
It occurred to me that Moriah may be a misspelling of Mair, the Welsh girl's name. I think the name is also Welsh for Mary.
Just things to bear in mind.
Jo
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Gadget
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and it could even be a wrongly spelled/transcribed Mariah (how Maria was often pronounced until well into the 20th century )
Gadget
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ceiriog1
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Hello all
I think you are all right about the spelling of Moriah, I think it is more likely to be Maria. The story of this lady has always been in the family, and Robert Jones's daughter Ann gave her daughter her name Maria Lester Williams (an unusual middle name for a girl). The story is that Maria was from Ireland and that she ran away with Robert's father who was a master seaman from Carnarvon (although romantic I am very doubtful that it is true). Another story, which is more feasible, is that Maria Lester (Jones) started one of the first 'schools' (for the working class) in Carnarvon - I use the term 'school' loosely as she apparently taught children in the back room of her house.
I had a thought that maybe there would be information about Robert in a local paper at the time of his death? It seems that the ship 'Edward Allison' belonged to a ship owner from Angelsey and it's crew would have largely been from the Carnarvon area. The loss of the ship should have made the local paper in 1887/88/89.
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wendy47
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He died at sea in 1867 on the Edward Allison
The loss of the ship should have made the local paper in 1887/88/89.
Sorry. When did he die 1867 or 1887?
Wendy
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COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
NASH, TYLER Warks, Kent
CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
COX Wilts
STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
CLAYTON SWEENY Cork
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ceiriog1
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sorry..a pretty big mistake there - the ship sailed in 1867 - so any references in the newspapers to all hands being lost at sea would be in 1867/68/69
are there any local archives where newspapers are held in Carnarvon that you know of?
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wendy47
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I don't know if these are any use
http://www.n-e-n-a.co.uk/newsarchives.php
http://www.cyndislist.com/wales.htm
Wendy
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VEAL, PRICE, STURGE, BELLET, DREW, TAYLOR Som/Glos
COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
NASH, TYLER Warks, Kent
CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
COX Wilts
STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
CLAYTON SWEENY Cork
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Jo Harding
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Hello Cari,
Local papers, I know of the Caernarfon Herald but not sure when it was first published.
You could contact the Record Office in Caernarfon, or the National Library of Wales. I am sure you will succeed in finding more on all this but I doubt it will be possible online.
Some records are shown at http://www.archivesnetworkwales.info/cgi-bin/anw/name_search?id This is a list of holdings at the Caernarfon RO.
I laos saw that they hold deposits from Moriah Chapel, Caernarfon, a Calvinistic Methodist Chapel. Any connection to your ancestor in view of the name?
Did Rober Jones, or his father leave Wills? I should have thought that sea faring folk would be inclined to make them in those days.
Jo
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