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Topic: Caernarvon Lookup Request- Robert Jones born C1837 (Read 1011 times)
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Gadget
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Hi
The Caernarfon Herald was definitely around in the 1850s. I have a latter written by my 3 x grt grandfather which refers to it.
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ceiriog1
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The newspaper leads have been great - it seems the archives in Carnarvon may have local papers from the time the Edward Allison was lost.
I've got good news - I've found Robert Jone's service number thanks to the 'Welsh Mariners Index'. I've already applied to the National Archives and the Maritime Museum for copies - these will give me details of previous voyages he took and should give me the actual year and place of birth. If I'm really lucky his original application may have survived which gives more personal details. I'll keep you all posted!!
I've also discovered that the archives in Carnarvon provide a research service - which will be useful for the newspaper records.
Does anyone know if you can go and search though the civil records in the registrars office as it would be enormously expensive to order all the birth records for Ann Jones (daughter C1867) particularly as it may not have even been recorded in the civil records?
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Jo Harding
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Hello Cari,
I don't think you would be permitted to search in the Registrar's office. Have never heard of anyone being allowed to look through these records. You can apply to the local Superintendant Registrar and give as much detail as possible. Things like parents names etc. This is to make sure they get the right one for you.
Freereg has a baptism in Clynnog Fawr Parish Church, Caernarfon, Ann Jones, on 22/11/1867. Daughter of Anne Jones, no father's name shown.
I do wonder if Robert Jones may have been abroad in his younger days if he was the son of a sea faring father.
I did find references to the Edward Allison in the Times Digital Archive but for earlier voyages and not the final one.
Jo
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ceiriog1
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Hello all
I wanted to let you know that I've received the papers from the Maritime Museum. It says that Robert Jones was born in Carnarvon on the 7th of June 1837 - maybe a lead?
I've got a long list of ships he served on to research.
Does Carnarvon come under the parish of Llanbeblig?
Cari
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Jo Harding
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Hello again,
Congratulations on the information!
I have looked on Freereg and there is a baptism on 19/07/1837 at Llanbeblig Parish Church, Robert Jones, son of William and Anne Jones.
Don't forget that the baptism would be later than his birthdate.
My understanding is that Llanbeblig is an area of Caernarfon, though I stand to be corrected on this.
Jo
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ceiriog1
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An expert eye on this would be most useful.....
As previously posted, the family legend is that Robert Jones's mother was Maria Lester from Ireland - I've found an entry on Ancestry in the 1841 census (caenarvonshire, civil parish = llanbeblig, district 9, folio 33, page 16) - it states the husband Owen is a mariner (well at least I think that what is says) and that they have a son Robert but the age is slightly off.
Would anyone be able to decifer the name of the street?
Thankyou - Cari
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wendy47
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Hi Cari
The 1841 Census is HO 107. 1861 is District 9. Have you got the correct reference??
wendy 
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VEAL, PRICE, STURGE, BELLET, DREW, TAYLOR Som/Glos
COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
NASH, TYLER Warks, Kent
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Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
COX Wilts
STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
CLAYTON SWEENY Cork
PROBABLE IMPOSSIBILITIES ARE TO BE PREFERRED TO IMPROBABLE POSSIBILITIES - ARISTOTLE
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Jo Harding
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Hello Cari,
Have you tried an approach to the Gwynedd Family Hisotry Society to see if they might assist with this?
Also, have you seen http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/search.php
I found Robert Jones on this. There is a "possible" for Owen Jones too. This shows an Owen Jones born 1811, of Brynsiencyn (Anglesey) with a reference for him at Kew.
Jo
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Jo Harding
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I have found the 1841 in Llanbeblig which you mention. The ref is HO107/1394/6 Page 16.
It does look like your family. I would put the street as Wesley Street and this appears to be there today.
Owen Jones age 30 Mariner, born in county.
Maria Jones age 30, born Ireland.
Jane Jones age 5, born in county.
Robert Jones, age 2, born in county.
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ceiriog1
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Hi Jo and all
Thanks so much for all your help - i'm going head on into all the details found...
I'll be sure to keep you all posted
Cari
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Jo Harding
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A Lester and Jones link in the 1851 census.
Just for your information, I came across a family in the 1851 HO 107 2516 Page 196, who look to be from the same line as the ones you are seeking. All living in 75 Pool Street.
In a previous post, I gave a marriage of Thomas Lester and Jane Jones. The 1851 appears to have this family as follows:
Thomas Lester head age 43 Grocer and Tea Dealer, born Caernarvonshire Llanberis (?).
Jane Lester wife age 36 Dressmaker born Caernarvonshire Llanbeblig.
Eliza Jane Lester, daughter, age 9 scholar born Llanbeblig.
Thomas Roger Lester, son, age 5, born Llanbeblig.
Elizabeth Jones, sister, unm, age 31, Dressmaker, born Llanbeblig.
Jane Jones, servant, age 16, born Llanbeblig.
May be no connection but you never know.
Jo.
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Jo Harding
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Hello again,
I was looking at the Archives Network Wales for something else and did a search for Owen Jones, mariner while I was there. I found an entry for him as follows, a holding at Bangor University "Owen Jones Ledger: Ledger containing exercises in navigation by Owen Jones and a journal of a voyage from Deptford to Madeira in the Aerial in 1854, kept by John Owens".
Jo
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ceiriog1
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Hi Jo
I'll be sure to have a look as it may be the right man.
The most confusing thing (although I know the census records are not always complete) is that I cannot find any reference to Maria Jones/Owen Jones etc after the 1841 census - it's as if they dropped off the grid - the FreeReg also doesn't seem to have a record of them. But I am nothing if not persistent 
I have also found the famous Robert Jones on the 1861 census in Falmouth which I have been able to confirm due to his seaman record - so I now know that he married Annie after 1861 as the census states he was unmarried...the noose it tightening so to speak!!!
I have never been to Carnarvon (even though I grew up in North Wales) but I'll be planning a trip with my mum soon - i can't wait
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