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Mayor of Shaddongate? completed
« on: Monday 11 May 09 08:13 UTC (UK) »

I just came across an article from the Cumberland Times last year about one of my husband's ancestors, and would love to know more. 

Apparently in 1881, James Groggins (the relative) and Johnston stood for mayor, on New Year's Day.  There was a poster war, and placards were stuck up.

James' campaign motto was 'Vote for Groggins and Free Rod Fishing' Grin

He didn't win, the former mayor won with a majority of 134.  He had also stood in 1876, again being defeated

My husband finds this quite funny, as he's a fisherman himself.

There was also a photo of the  mayoral chain of office - consisting of joined watch chains, a brass heart stamped with the date, and a bottle top at the bottom.

As I normally only come across tales of woe in the newspaper articles, if any, I was quite pleased with this one.

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Re: Mayor of Shaddongate?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 11 May 09 09:49 UTC (UK) »

I think it might be worth linking to the article http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/1.84733

Did you see the photo of a GROGGINS in a Carlisle United photo? http://carlislepostcards.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html
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Re: Mayor of Shaddongate?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 May 09 11:16 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Geoff Grin

I had been told that Robert Groggins played for Carlisle some time ago.  I even checked on the Carlisle United website, but nobody found any record of him.  I was beginning to think it was a tall story.  That's a lovely photo, one for the Groggins file.

The Times and Star was where I got the info from, but I'd love to know the address of James Groggins, as there are more than one in the family with the name James.  It would sort out which one it was.  I think it must have been the one born in 1833, living at Shakespeare Street in 1881. 

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Re: Mayor of Shaddongate?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 11 May 09 11:47 UTC (UK) »

The Times and Star was where I got the info from, but I'd love to know the address of James Groggins, as there are more than one in the family with the name James.  It would sort out which one it was.  I think it must have been the one born in 1833, living at Shakespeare Street in 1881. 

I think so - I can see no other in censuses who was an adult in 1881 (nor in FreeBMD)

Re the Football Club.  Read about its early history here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlisle_United_F.C.
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Re: Mayor of Shaddongate?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 May 09 12:58 UTC (UK) »

It looks like Robert was once of the first players for Carlisle United.  Quite impressive.  My brother and nephew are staunch supporters, and have travelled everywhere following them.

Thanks again Smiley
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Re: Mayor of Shaddongate?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 May 09 19:43 UTC (UK) »

Rosemary, I'me perplexed. With an unusual name, I thought I would catch references in the histerical directories cos they list everybody and their uncle. However, Groggins does not raise one reference on the site. I started to worry that the site was having a nervous fit so put shakespeare into the search and  -  - you're getting worried now -  apart from the shakespeare Tavern in St. Cuthberts lane , nothing came up either!!!
I've gone back to Geoff's reference and I often sit next to the cumberland news guy in the archives so I'm not an a beginner but I'm still perplexed over your missing mayor. Am I doing something wrong?
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Re: Mayor of Shaddongate?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 12 May 09 21:06 UTC (UK) »

Before WW1 it seems mainly to have been local businessmen and house owners who got into directories.  No place for most of the working men.
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Re: Mayor of Shaddongate?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 May 09 08:02 UTC (UK) »

Hi Bob

Don't worry about not finding the name 'Groggins'.  I found no less than 14 variations during my Groggins research, including Graffius, Gioggins, Geogens.  If it wasn't that I knew the members of the family and their ages, birthplace etc, I would have missed them.

James was indeed a working man Geoff.  In 1876 he was a tackler at the cotton looms, and lived on Shakespear Street.  But the information must have come from somewhere.  The news article was new last year, with information taken from some sort of archives.

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