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fred111
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wedding at Old Machar
« on: Wednesday 13 May 09 12:53 BST (UK) »

Hello from someone born in England & living in Wales!.
I've been researching my tree for some time now, and have discovered a lot of Scottish surnames.
Now on IGI I have found
                William Rennie  married Mary Pirie on 7. 12. 1788 at Old Machar, Aberdeen.
They lived and raised 10 children at Spittal in Northumberland, near Berwick.
Can anyone help me with the births of William or Mary?
And what is Old Machar like? What a wonderful name.
Thanks for any snippets no matter how small.
Liz
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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 May 09 13:12 BST (UK) »

Hi Liz

Old Machar is now really the northern and western part of Aberdeen itself, see:

http://scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-aberdeen.htm

and:

http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/unit_page.jsp?u_id=10016680

I used to live in the old part of Aberdeen so knew the area well.

If they IGI doesn't have their births, they might be available on Scotland's People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - pay to view but very reasonable.

Do you have a list of their children's names in birth order. The Scots tended to favour a traditional naming pattern for offspring and a good idea of parents' names can often be got from that.


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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 May 09 16:47 BST (UK) »

Thanks, Gadget

William & Mary's children were -
James,  1789.   Eleanor  1790     Thomas  1792 ,  William    1794,   Margaret   1796   
Mary     1798    Thomas  1799     Phillis     1802     Joanna   1804    Isabella     1806,
They were all Christened at the United Preb. Church, Spittal
James, Eleanor, William and Isabellla moved to and married in Longbenton, so it seems possible that all the family went, but at what date and how many of them, I haven't tracked down yet. (The men were miners.)
Would there have ben mining jobs in Old Machar?
I have found a few Piries on the 1841 Census for Old Machar.  But it's tying them in that's the problem.

Cheers
Liz
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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 May 09 16:57 BST (UK) »

If they used the trad naming patterns then

James - William's father
Eleanor - Mary's mother
Thomas - Mary's father
William - William
Margaret - William's mother
Mary - Mary

Then it's often brother's and sisters etc but, by the looks of it, they did follow the convention so you should maybe look for a William with parents James and Margaret and Mary with parents Thomas and Eleanor.

No coal mines in Old Machar - maybe quarries and agriculture. Many Aberdonians did move to the North East. I have friends whose families came down that way and ended up in Shields and Sunderland.

Longbenton isn't far from me but no coal mines now!

I'll have a look to see if i can find possibles for you  Smiley


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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 13 May 09 17:11 BST (UK) »


Nothing is leaping off the page at me. Definitely not in Old Machar. A few possibles in other Aberdeenshire parishes but .....  Undecided


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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 13 May 09 17:20 BST (UK) »

Thank you so much for your interest.

Some of the names on the 1841 C could be extended family - Jane, Mary, Margaret, James . . . . . . .

Interesting, there are Piries living at Pirie Lane, Old Machar

Cheers
Liz
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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 13 May 09 18:24 BST (UK) »

The only ones that have me interested a the moment are these two:

16th April 1759, Aberdeen City,  Mary Pirie. Parents - James Pirie and Mary Forbes

15th March 1761,  Logie/Buchan, Mary Pirie. Parents - James Pirie (no mother's name Sad  )

Occasionally they might swap the naming pattern around (it happened in one of my Kirkcudbright families) but, then again, it could be that neither of them are in the OPRs for various reasons  Sad

There's nothing on the marriage entry to give any indication - both of the parish and a Church elder stood for them.

I've looked for Piries and Rennies having children 1750 -1775 in Old Machar but again, not much joy.


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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 May 09 22:20 BST (UK) »

Thanks once more for you efforts, Gadget.
Is the Aberdeen City Mary more likely?
Where is Logie/Buchan?

I find the naming system interesting.
Using the same name on succeeding generations doesn't always help to sort the families out, as brothers, sisters and cousins have the same names cropping up again and again. many of the women in the family were having 10 or 12 babies at this time.
It must have been very confusing.
Do you think they used nicknames to differentiate!

There were some Rennys at Spittal before William & Mary's move there.
I suppose it could be that William was born there or had relatives there.
Cheers
Liz
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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 13 May 09 22:45 BST (UK) »

Hi Liz

If you look at the parish map that I gave the link to, you'll find Logie Buchan to the North of Aberdeen, south of Cruden between Slains and Ellon.


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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 14 May 09 15:02 BST (UK) »

Thanks. Found it Smiley
Liz
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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 16 May 09 21:16 BST (UK) »

I may have some more clues.
Having found James Rennie on One World Trees on Ancestry, I've got the following -
William Rennie b 16. Jan 1769 in Peterhead
Mary Pirie b. 26. Oct 1769 Invernice, father William Pirie.
I'm off to Google Peterhead & Invernice,
Liz
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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 16 May 09 21:20 BST (UK) »

I presume it is Inverness. . . . .which means they're 108 miles apart.
Our ancestors did get about a bit, didn't they!
Liz
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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 16 May 09 21:26 BST (UK) »

No, not Inverness, Invernice or Inverurie, Aberdeen acording to IGI.
I wonder which it is?
Liz
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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 16 May 09 21:33 BST (UK) »

My money would be on Inverurie - it's just to the north of Aberdeen. I had friends who lived there and it's only a short drive from Aberdeen - longer in those days though.


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Re: wedding at Old Machar
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 17 May 09 18:06 BST (UK) »

Do you know of anywhere I can research further?
Liz
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