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Topic: Birth Registrations... a Rant... (Read 705 times)
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I'm a bit annoyed, so please excuse me for letting off some steam in here..
To cut a long and complicated story short, My partner's nephew has recently become a father.... and he wants to be a full on committed father but the mother has left him... nobody else is involved...
The mother has decided that his name is not to go on the birth certificate.... and I think we know the implications of this...
My general question is; why on earth are unmarried mothers encouraged not to put the father's name on the certificate?
I remember when my son was born 3 years ago, I was told 'you will have more rights if you don't put the father's name down'
And you are told this when you are feeling vulnerable and on your own, not long after you have given birth... no wonder a lot of mothers think its a good idea at the time.... grrrrrrrrrrr
*rant over*
*but open to any advice I could pass on to him* 
Tx
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BumbleB
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Being old and decrepit, and getting more cynical by the day  it would appear to be the way of the world - or at least in Britain!! Milk the situation as much as you can, as far as the mother is concerned, BUT on the other hand she might be the loser! If he is not named as the father, then can he be sued for maintenance if she has refused to acknowledge his existence, after all he did make the offer? In the long run he may be better off and have got off lightly, although I do very much sympathise with him if he is prepared to stand by his child!! As I said a very cynical view, and probably of not much use  In fact, probably another rant
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Archbell - anywhere, any date
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Thanks for this; he is taking a softly softly approach as he WANTS a relationship with his child. He is paying over the odds maintenance too which is his choice. 
If courts became involved I think it would become very messy....
But I was more upset by the fact that you are encouraged by the ladies giving you the forms NOT to put the father's name on the certificate, even though there is a father present and willing.....
Tx
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Shropshire Lass
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Thanks for this; he is taking a softly softly approach as he WANTS a relationship with his child. He is paying over the odds maintenance too which is his choice. If courts became involved I think it would become very messy....
I hope he's doing this by some method that shows up, eg cheques, and not with cash. It's not unknown for a mother to go to the CSA and claim that the father hasn't paid anything. He then gets a back-dated claim for money he has already paid. Forewarned is forearmed.
I agree with you about the birth certificate. Why should a mother have the right to exclude the child's father?
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDALBY - Suffolk and, after 1860, Birmingham. EBENEZER - Cardiganshire & Glamorgan. GARVEY and GRAHAM - Mayo. HUBBARD - Birmingham. MAUND and LEWIS - Shropshire and Birmingham. MORGAN(S) - Cardiganshire. SLADE - Somerset and Worcester. |
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Nick29
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I think there is a certain amont of irony in a culture that doesn't want to commit to putting their names on marriage licences, but worries about names on birth certificates.
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Best Wishes, Nick. Research interests: Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Nick29
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I think there is a certain amont of irony in a culture that doesn't want to commit to putting their names on marriage licences, but worries about names on birth certificates.
I was going to have a reaction to this as its a bit close to the bone, but maybe you are right, maybe it is ironic....... But regardless of peoples views on marriage, I would love it to be the child's right to have both their parents named on their birth certificate! Tx
Sorry, I didn't mean that in any nasty way - I just have a knack of finding irony in quite serious subjects.
I'm not a lawyer, but I think that as the law stands, when the child reaches the age of consent, they can have their certificate changed to show their father's details, because then their mother no longer has any say in the matter.
Sometimes the child wants to know his/her father when he/she grows up, and sometimes they don't, but by then it's their choice and no-one else's.
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Best Wishes, Nick. Research interests: Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Shropshire Lass
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I'm not a lawyer, but I think that as the law stands, when the child reaches the age of consent, they can have their certificate changed to show their father's details, because then their mother no longer has any say in the matter.
I don't think this can happen now but it's a good idea. Do you think the authorities would demand proof of fatherhood such as DNA tests?
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDALBY - Suffolk and, after 1860, Birmingham. EBENEZER - Cardiganshire & Glamorgan. GARVEY and GRAHAM - Mayo. HUBBARD - Birmingham. MAUND and LEWIS - Shropshire and Birmingham. MORGAN(S) - Cardiganshire. SLADE - Somerset and Worcester. |
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Nick29
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I don't think this can happen now but it's a good idea. Do you think the authorities would demand proof of fatherhood such as DNA tests?
I think if the father was agreeable to have his name on the certificate, there would be no problem. No DNA proof is asked on any other certificate.
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Best Wishes, Nick. Research interests: Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Shropshire Lass
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I don't think this can happen now but it's a good idea. Do you think the authorities would demand proof of fatherhood such as DNA tests?
I think if the father was agreeable to have his name on the certificate, there would be no problem. No DNA proof is asked on any other certificate.
That's sounds fine but I read it as the child giving the father's details. Anyone could be named under those circumstances!
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDALBY - Suffolk and, after 1860, Birmingham. EBENEZER - Cardiganshire & Glamorgan. GARVEY and GRAHAM - Mayo. HUBBARD - Birmingham. MAUND and LEWIS - Shropshire and Birmingham. MORGAN(S) - Cardiganshire. SLADE - Somerset and Worcester. |
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