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Dougalgeorge
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Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« on: Friday 15 May 09 20:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi. I wonder if anyone can help?  My Great Grandad Henry Aspinall  (born 1882) and his wife Betsy Young Simpson  (1880) are nowhere to be found on the 1911 Census? I have looked and looked and am quickly running out of credits. They were in Ashton under Lyne in 1913, where my Grandmother was born but I can`t find them in 1911. Any ideas? Thank you.
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Aspinall - Newton by Hyde and Ashton Under Lyne
Aspinall - Westhoughton, Lancashire
Aspinall - Glossop, Derbyshire
Simpson - Hyde, Cheshire
Milne - Stonehaven, Scotland
Su
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 May 09 21:22 UTC (UK) »

Hello
Have you tried putting just the address where they were in 1913?

It is obviously a mis-transcription, which drives me potty on the 1911 as there is no way of browsing through the census for yourself.

Keep trying as I couldn't find one of mine for ages, but I eventually found out the address they were living at in 1911 because the first child was born in 1912 and the address was on the birth certificate.  Luckily they were there and their surname was as clear as day, so why it wasn't transcribed correctly is a mystery.

Kind regards
Su
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CaroleW
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 May 09 21:26 UTC (UK) »

Where were they both born?

When did they marry?

Did they have any children born before 1911 - if so - have you tried searching using their names

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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 16 May 09 13:26 UTC (UK) »

Assuming the 1913 birth is of Marjorie, although the registration district was Ashton, this covered several sub-districts which are identified on CheshireBMD - which records the birth as in the sub-district of Newton & Godley. Ashton was Lancashire; Newton was Cheshire, so it may be that although they were from Lancashire & married at Ashton in 1907 they were in Cheshire in 1911.
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Dougalgeorge
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 May 09 13:43 UTC (UK) »

Hello all.  I am waiting for Birth certs but as I live in Cyprus it takes 3-4 weeks for them to get here.
Henry Aspinall was born in 1882 I think. The record I have found says Ashton (I hope this is right as this is one of the certs I have applied for) Betsy Young Simpson was born in 1880. They married at Rosemount in Newton on 13 March 1907 (I have this cert) Marjorie was their only child and she was born in 1913 in Newton, Ashton under Lyne. I have looked on 1911 in both Lancashire and Cheshire with no results.
I must admit the differences in county are driving me round the bend. No matter how many times I go back and forward to Genuiki, I still can`t get to grips with where places are so looking on the 1911 census, I have no idea how far it is to anywhere else that might be mentioned. I keep telling myself that this is not because I am stupid, but because my brain is full of other very important facts and is therefore full Wink
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Aspinall - Newton by Hyde and Ashton Under Lyne
Aspinall - Westhoughton, Lancashire
Aspinall - Glossop, Derbyshire
Simpson - Hyde, Cheshire
Milne - Stonehaven, Scotland
mshrmh
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 May 09 13:56 UTC (UK) »

Hi Dougalgeorge - they did like to confuse with registration districts crossing county boundaries.

The Ashton under Lyne registration district was a district that at this time covered parts of Lancashire & parts of Cheshire - full list on this link, which handily identifies the sub-districts and the county fro each bit:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/ashton%20under%20lyne.html

AUL is now part of Tameside for local government & registration - Tameside is covered on the local CheshireBMD site including the bits (like AUL itself) that were Lancashire (= more confusion, I know). If you search on there for Henry's birth I think it will the one shown as in Mottram sub-district - in Cheshire. LancashireBMD gives Betsy's birth as in the Spotland sub-district
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

None of this really gets us anywhere with 1911 though - I've tried a few guesses & wildcards - but nothing seems too likely.  They're frustrating aren't they!
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Su
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 16 May 09 16:40 UTC (UK) »

I don't know if you have tried this one on the 1911

Henry Aspden b 1882 m 1907 other person Betsy
Living in Haslingden Lancs.

Might be worth a try

Like you I've tried every variation possible and this was the nearest.  Sorry I couldn't use my credits I've only 10 left!!

Just found my friend's ancestor an Italian who was mistranscribed.

Kind regards
Su
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Jones Salford/Altrincham
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Dougalgeorge
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 16 May 09 17:08 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Su. I will have a look this very minute. And if it`s right- I owe you one !!!!
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Aspinall - Westhoughton, Lancashire
Aspinall - Glossop, Derbyshire
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Dougalgeorge
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 16 May 09 17:20 UTC (UK) »

 Sad Unfortunately it`s not them. Thanks for the heads up though!
I have now looked at about ten different Aspinall families. I was thinking that if anyone wants to contact me to ask if I have looked at their Aspinalls... would this be allowed?
I am going to phone my Mother again and give her another grilling about ANYTHING she can remember. She`s gonna stop answering the phone when she thinks it might be me !!!
TTFN
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Su
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 16 May 09 18:22 UTC (UK) »

What a shame, I had hopes of that one.  Its very odd that nothing comes up even with just putting the initials in.

I know a lot of Aspinall's moved to staffs so they might have moved there then back again.  There is a Betsy Ashley 1880 Wolstanton Staffs.

Betsy Alker 1882 Chorley Lancs
Betsy Anderson 1879 Chorlton Lancs

Clutching at straws now  Grin

Do you know what Henry's occupation was?

I'll keep trying for you.

Love Cyprus, our kids were in the RAF there in the 80s, so we went for a couple of months Aya Nicolias or something like that.  It was before it got commercialised and the beaches like Nissi were beautiful and natural.

Kind regards
Su
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Bates Hindley Lancs
Bowyer Altrincham Cheshire
Cunliffe Hindley
Hollingworth Hale Barnes/Mobberley Ches
Jones Salford/Altrincham
Ramsdale Hindley Lancs
Timperley Warburton/Dunham Massey
Yarwood Great Budworth,Lymm,Dumham Massey

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Dougalgeorge
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 16 May 09 19:11 UTC (UK) »

Hello again Smiley
I think Henry`s occupation was `ghost` cos he doesn`t seem to exist anywhere Wink If I hadn`t seen him with my own eyes, I would think he was a figment of somebody`s imagination. According to my Mum, he lived in the Manchester area with Betsy around 1964 when I was born. I was born in the July and my Nan (Marjorie Aspinall ) was going down to see them and my Mum was going to take me to show me off but Betsy died soon after. So I have been looking for her death in late 1964. Mum says she thinks she died in Sale. Then I remember G Grandad Henry when I was a child, I don`t know if he lived with my Nan in Newcastle upon Tyne or just visited but I remember him sitting in the big armchair, but he must have died before 1970.

I have arranged with my Mum for her to get the certs out tomorrow and I am going to phone her, and she ain`t putting that phone down till I get every ounce of info from her. Plus her sister is visiting me in 2 weeks time and she knows she will be getting a grilling (it`s the price she has to pay for 2 weeks bed and board in the sun !!!)
I have been to Nissi Beach and it`s still beautiful but very commercialized. We tend to go in November when there`s nobody there but the water is still lovely and warm.
Well, 1911 here I come again....
Thanks for looking for the stuff for me, it`s much appreciated.
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Blackbird - Swalwell, Durham
Aspinall - Newton by Hyde and Ashton Under Lyne
Aspinall - Westhoughton, Lancashire
Aspinall - Glossop, Derbyshire
Simpson - Hyde, Cheshire
Milne - Stonehaven, Scotland
Dougalgeorge
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 17 May 09 12:38 UTC (UK) »

Hello to everybody Smiley and I hope you are all having a lovely Sunday.

Here we are, DEFINITE facts as they are on the certs that my poor harassed Mum has.

Henry Aspinall, born 11/4/1882 at Hill End, Mottram. father David Aspinall, mother Sarah Aspinall nee Hazeldine.
Death- 21/11/1968, aged 86, Newcastle upon Tyne (at my Nan`s house)

Betsy Young Simpson, born 27/6/1880 (registered on 7/8/1880)  father Greg, Spotland is mentioned, but the cert is in a bad state.
Death- 8/11/1964, aged 84, 19 Manor Avenue, Sale

They married on 13/3/1907 at Rosemount Chapel, Henry was an iron turner of 56 Bennett Rd, Newton, and Betsy was a cotton weaver of 219 Dukinfield Rd, Newton. Henry`s father was David Aspinall and he was a labourer at boiler works, and Betsy`s father Greg Simpson was deceased but had been a boiler maker journeyman. The witnesses were Greg Simpson (Betsy`s brother) and May Wild.

Marjorie Aspinall (my Nan) was born on 29/8/1913 (no cert) baptised 12/10/1913 at Rosemount, Newton and Hyde circuit. Address- 59 Dukinfield Rd. father`s occupation- engineer.

So all this takes me no nearer to finding them on the 1911 census.  But I will keep trying, watch this space !!!!



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mshrmh
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 17 May 09 13:23 UTC (UK) »

Have you considered address searches for either 59 or 219 Dukinfield Road? You need to put Dukinfield Road in the street, Lancashire in the county and Newton in the residential place field. Both addresses are listed - whether they'd got to 59 by the time of the census though....
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Su
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 17 May 09 14:23 UTC (UK) »

OOO goody.  I was just about to post when I saw yours

I found them on the 1901
David 50 Lab in Iron works born Glossop Derbyshire
Sarah 55 born Stockport Cheshire
Harriet Ann 25 born Bollingworth Cheshire
Herbert 20 apprentice Iron Fitter born Bollingworth
HENRY 18 apprentice Iron Turner born Broadbottom Ches

I found Herbert on the 1911
and Sarah the mother who was living in Stockport

When I put David in - zilch so whether he was dead by then I don't know.

I'd be inclined to have a go at the addresses too, it might be the only way you will find them.
I'm all but standing on my head here  Grin

Talk about come out come out where ever you are  Roll Eyes

And I was going to watch Titanic again this afternoon - talk about that sinking feeling  Cheesy



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Barnett Altrincham/Manchester
Bates Hindley Lancs
Bowyer Altrincham Cheshire
Cunliffe Hindley
Hollingworth Hale Barnes/Mobberley Ches
Jones Salford/Altrincham
Ramsdale Hindley Lancs
Timperley Warburton/Dunham Massey
Yarwood Great Budworth,Lymm,Dumham Massey

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Dougalgeorge
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Re: Aspinalls-where are they in 1911?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 17 May 09 14:31 UTC (UK) »

 Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
Guess what? I found them transcribed as Spinall at 59 Dukinfield Road. (I have let the folks know at 1911 that there is an error)

Thank you very, very much to you both for helping me. I would never have managed it without you.

Kindest regards
Tracey
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Blackbird - Swalwell, Durham
Aspinall - Newton by Hyde and Ashton Under Lyne
Aspinall - Westhoughton, Lancashire
Aspinall - Glossop, Derbyshire
Simpson - Hyde, Cheshire
Milne - Stonehaven, Scotland
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