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Yorvick
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Mary is missing between 1870 and 1898
Mary was born in Scotland in c 1870; in Sept 1898 she marries James Kerss at St Georges, Hanover Square in London. James was born in Crailing Roxburghshire also 1870 and was previously in the employ of the Kerr family the Lothian’s at Newbattle etc, his sister Agnes Mason Kerss was a lady’s maid to the daughter’s of the house, and the balance of the family also in their employ and had been for a number of years back to 1780’s and perhaps further.
The wedding cert has James Kerss’ father – also James Kerss, deceased gamekeeper, Mary’s father was James Anderson overseer, Mary’s address was 9 Berkeley Street, London. James the “groom” was working at that stage at Melton Mowbray as a gardener.
The wedding was reputably paid for by Mary’s employers the Cavendish family who owned Devonshire House and Chatsworth, but I believe the wedding was paid for by the Kerr family as his sister Agnes Mason is also married there to a butler at Blenheim Palace. Unfortunately the employment records were destroyed WW2.
Mary has a baby Margaret Helen at Melton Mowbray and is next found at Beech Hill Park Lodge, Walton Abbey Essex (1901) with her baby and husband James (Journeyman Gardener)
1911 finds them at Kingston Surrey with 4 children, Eve, Margaret, Ralph and Roy. In 1913 at a place called Cairo, East Moseley, Surrey, Mary dies and the two girls are sent to her sister in Edinburgh to be raised.
So Mary was born 1870 Scotland – more than likely born to a family used to being in service rather than say a farmer’s daughter. I would suspect that she is also from the Borders; I have no idea if she was raised in England or Scotland.
The address Mary was married from is close if not slap bang in the middle of Devonshire House in Piccadilly. Evelen (the name of her second daughter) was the name of one of the Cavendish wives, who were reputedly her employers. The other children - boys appear to be named for James side of the family.
Mary could have been raised in England, hence the C of E marriage at St Georges.
After Mary’s death 1913 Evelen (Eve) and Margaret (Nell) were sent to the maternal Aunt Mrs McGaskell of Spottiswood Street near the Edinburgh Infirmary, Mrs McGaskell had two sons Alistair and Hamish one of whom was possibly a doctor.
Margaret Helen Kerss at some stage must have travelled to Lincolnshire were her father James Kerss had remarried and met her husband Byron Kent to become my grand mother. Of Eve I have no idea.
I would love to find Mary’s family and I think Mrs McGaskell is the one that holds the key; her christian name could just do the trick in locating the family in earlier census. And perhaps throw some light on this whole family.
All this info has come from census, certs and a letter written by Mary’s son and daughter in law many, many years ago. I have often wondered if perhaps she was born Cruickshank and Anderson was her step father.
Any help at all will be really appreciated. I have also posted this on the England board in case she was there during 1870 -1898.
Thank you
Di
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Kerss, Anderson, Cruickshank, Kerss, Crailing and Roxburgh in general, Scotland
Brusey, Penny (Penney) Tuckerman, Short, Doust, Brixham Devon, Lincs and Yorkshire
Pitts, Wells, Corringham, Poland, Screeton, Hazwell, Fussey, Hale, Linklater, Lincs and Yorkshire.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Di
Quite a puzzle you have here 
I've got some bits and pieces, maybe something to work from. Firstly, possible marriage for Mary's daughter Eve, from FreeBmd:
Eva Kerss and John D. Scott at Newcastle T. Vol. 10b Pg. 176
Possible 1891 census entry for a Mary Ann Anderson, 20, b. Scotland in London (Marylebone) working as a domestic maid at the household of Dr Norman Shanks Kerr (born in Glasgow 1834) RG12; Piece: 102; Folio 128; Page 2
Regarding the sister for of Mary who married a McGaskell. This surname like many is one that is open to a number of spelling variations. Using wildcards for the spelling, and searching Scotlands People brings up a few marriages. One in particular caught my eye between an Elizabeth Anderson and a Ronald John MacAskill in Edinburgh in 1893. Her parents were a James Anderson, a crofter, and a Margaret Cowie, both show as deceased in 1893.
This looks to be them in the 1901 census:
Donald John McAskill 38, tailor, b. Invernesshire, Harris
Eliza McAskill 33, b. Aberdeenshire, Auchterless
Margaret Mabel McAskill 6, b. Edinburgh
James McAskill 3, b. Edinburgh
Address: 3 Comely Bank Avenue, Edinburgh
This Eliza shows on IGI with the following siblings, including a Mary:
1. MARGARET CONN ANDERSON OR COWIE Birth: 24 OCT 1861 Forgue, Aberdeen
2. WILLIAM ANDERSON Birth: 16 OCT 1863 Auchterless, Aberdeen
3. GEORGE ANDERSON Birth: 23 APR 1865 Auchterless, Aberdeen
4. ELIZA COWIE ANDERSON Birth: 16 JUN 1867 Auchterless, Aberdeen
5. MARY WALKER ANDERSON Birth: 23 APR 1869 Auchterless, Aberdeen
6. JANE ANDERSON Birth: 28 JUN 1871 Auchterless, Aberdeen
7. HELEN PATRICIA STRACHAN ANDERSON Birth: 22 AUG 1873 Auchterless, Aberdeen
And this family in 1871:
James Anderson 37, agr. lab., b. Fyvie, Aberdeenshire
Margaret Anderson 27, b. King Edward, Banffshire
William Anderson 7, b. Auchterless, Aberdeenshire
George Anderson 6, b. Auchterless, Aberdeenshire
Eliza Anderson 4, b. Auchterless, Aberdeenshire
Mary Anderson 1, b. Auchterless, Aberdeenshire
Address: Logie Newton, Auchterless, Aberdeenshire
1881 is a problem for this family  I can see some entries for some of the children (Eliza and Helen at the North Lodge School in Aberdeen City where they show as scholars).
The key as you say is Mary's sister, I'll do a few more searches to see what I can find.
Re possible McGaskell children Hamish and Alistair, can't see any trace under those first names for births/marriages up to 1933 or possible deaths as yet.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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 We're there!
Elizabeth Anderson McAskill died in Morningside Edinburgh in 1954. Details for parents and husband as we have. Whilst she died at a different address, her usual residence shows as 26 Spottiswood Street, Edinburgh 
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Parents' marriage will let you work back on this line, available to view on Scotlands People:
JAMES ANDERSON and MARGRET COWIE (Margaret's name has been indexed this way so you have to use the same spelling on SP)
Marriage: 27 DEC 1862 in Forgue, Aberdeen
Monica
Added: Given the name of first born daughter, prior to their marriage, this might be Margaret's birth details which hopefully you can confirm from her marriage entry:
MARGARET COWIE Birth:18 APR 1842/ Christening:13 MAY 1842 Alvah, Banff
Parents:JAMES COWIE and MARGARET CONN
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Yorvick
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Hey Monica - thank you for all of that you have been busy, I haven't managed to digest it all as nigh on midnight here and starting to fade as one does.
That Mary Ann working for Dr Kerr has bothered me and drawn me for well over a year, the name works, the dates work, and from memory even the Dr's residence worked but the Mary ANN bit bothered me but I couldn't dismiss it.
The Cruickshank has thrown me for a long time so I look forward to a nice rested brain, a childless and hubandless home in the morning and a good study with a cup of coffee, - you have been brilliant
Thank you Monica
Di
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Forester, Ireland, Lincs and Yorkshire,
Kerss, Anderson, Cruickshank, Kerss, Crailing and Roxburgh in general, Scotland
Brusey, Penny (Penney) Tuckerman, Short, Doust, Brixham Devon, Lincs and Yorkshire
Pitts, Wells, Corringham, Poland, Screeton, Hazwell, Fussey, Hale, Linklater, Lincs and Yorkshire.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Di
This can all wait Go to bed and with refreshed brain (and empty household!) go through it in detail.
I am not that concerned about the Mary Ann bit, if we have the right entry for her in London for 1891. The name that does worry me is Cruickshank, can't see where that comes in at present. Infact, the middle name showing on the birth registration for Mary, daughter of James and Margaret (Cowie), is Walker.
The key doc. at present is that death entry for Elizabeth Anderson McAskill at the right address, making the connections back to her family.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Yorvick
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Going to bed now - thats what I meant - I was concerned I had Mary Ann and not Mary Cruickshank, still will have a look in the morning. In 1871 Dr Kerr is living at Cavendish House, interesting!!!?
Thank you
Di
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Forester, Ireland, Lincs and Yorkshire,
Kerss, Anderson, Cruickshank, Kerss, Crailing and Roxburgh in general, Scotland
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Pitts, Wells, Corringham, Poland, Screeton, Hazwell, Fussey, Hale, Linklater, Lincs and Yorkshire.
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MonicaLesl
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Some thoughts for when you wake
It may be that Mary didn't go down to England to work until after the 1891 census and that the Mary Ann entry in London is a red herring.
There is this entry in Scotland in 1891:
Mary Anderson, 21, Housemaid - Domestic Serv, b. Auchterless Aberd. She is working with a number of other servants at the Spottieswood household, a family originally from Aberdeen (  how bizarre is that given the street name where sister was living in later years in Edinburgh!). The address is 28 Coates Gardens, Edinburgh St Cuthberts.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Yorvick
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Hi Monica,
Yes that enrty re the Spottiswood family had my heart beating with excitement too - not sure what to make of it. I am going to spend a few hours mulling and digging and see what I can make of it all ---
Thank you
Di
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Pitts, Wells, Corringham, Poland, Screeton, Hazwell, Fussey, Hale, Linklater, Lincs and Yorkshire.
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Yorvick
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Hi,
Yes Monica,
I agree the death of Elizabeth Anderson McAskill is the key, thank you so much for that, I have spent ages and ages on it and it a few hours thanks to you a mystery solved and hopefully a door unlocked!
I have spent some time in IGI and checking census waiting for it all to leap out and get me, so far it hasn't - lol can only confirm the info you have found me. I have been trying to work backwards thru IGI, Hugh Wallis and the census looking for clues and to see if I can come up with any connection to Cruickshank and get a better "feel" for the family.
So far the things I like that are not ness conclusive but a good indication:
1 Margaret seems to be a recurring name.
2 Margaret Kerss was known as Nell, fits nicely if there was another child in
her Aunt's home called Margaret.
3 Mary Anderson working for the Dr Kerr, her husband to be and his family
worked for the Kerr household.
4 That Dr Kerr appeared to be residing in Cavendish House in 1871.
This may be a clue that Mary may not have been employed directly the Cavendish family but may have had an intimate knowledge of them and embellished the truth somewhat.
Things I don't like:
1 We - or I can't find the Anderson family in 1881, surely he wld not leave the farm.
2 Don't like the Mary Ann or the Mary Walker, extremely selfishly I want to see Cruickshank in there somewhere.
3 James Anderson is not noted as deceased on the marriage cert of Mary Cruickshank Anderson.
Monica so many thanks for your help - you have been amazing - it was almost a lost cause for me, please don't give up just yet and ideas, brain waves, or cards up your sleeve jobs would be really appreciated.
Thank you
Di
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Kerss, Anderson, Cruickshank, Kerss, Crailing and Roxburgh in general, Scotland
Brusey, Penny (Penney) Tuckerman, Short, Doust, Brixham Devon, Lincs and Yorkshire
Pitts, Wells, Corringham, Poland, Screeton, Hazwell, Fussey, Hale, Linklater, Lincs and Yorkshire.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Di
Would be nice to tick off all the boxes, not sure if you always can though. You have worked back from what you know. That letter from Mary's sister is in reality the main verification we have to Mary's Scottish family origins.
Leaving aside for a moment the issue of the middle name she used on her marriage registration, let's confirm what we have:
1. Letter from Mary's son. Is this where the reference comes in to Aunt McAskill and her living at Spottiswood Street, Ediburgh.
2. We have found an Elizabeth Anderson and family, including a sister Mary (Walker) born in the right time for your Mary. Her parents show as James and Margaret (Cowie).
3. Mary called her first daughter Margaret, one would think following Scottish naming pattern.
4. Her marriage cert. showed father as James, in the right type of occupation. Although not showing as deceased (and we have from Elizabeth's marriage cert that he showed as deceased by 1893). However, it does happen that parents on marriage certs. don't always show as deceased when they are. Irritating when it does happen but not uncommon.
5. Re possible names of sons for Elizabeth McAskill: Hamish and Alastair. I've double checked on this site www.whatsinaname.net which is fantastic for checking out variants of first names. Hamish is a variant of James. Given that there are no Hamish McAskill births (with lots of wildcards for spellings) until after 1950 (two show post this year) it could well be that he was named James at birth and Hamish became a family name for him. Similarly for Alastair, this can be a variant of Alexander.
6. Picking up your point, for additional verification on the McAskill family link, that one of sons may have become a doctor. Looking at Ancestry's UK Medical Register, there is only one obvious MD, working from Edinburgh, called John who became a doctor from 1934.
Di, the McAskill family may continue to be your main source of verification. Not that common a name in Edinburgh which is great. The fact that we found Elizabeth with all the other ticks in the boxes is great. But all of us doing research always want MORE
Monica
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Yorvick
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Hi Monica,
Thank you I am working back now and sideways too lol.
Interesting I found James as a ploughman in 1861 also as a servant in the home was an 18 year old Margaret Cowie working there as a maid. So we now know how those two met.
Also at present trying to figure out what the two girls are doing at the North Lodge School, from google I have established it was - whether or not in 1881 - an Industrial school and usually a place were children with problems, parental or otherwise were sent.
Google tells me the Asst Matron was a lady called Miss Hay and she appears on the census with Elizabeth so I definitely have the right place, now its just a matter of trying to figure out where the rest of them have got to in 1881.
Thank you so much for your help Monica - I really appreciate it, I feel I am close to knocking down another wall and it wouldn't have happened but for you.
Di
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