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Topic: Mary RIDLEY b.1774 Horley area (Read 428 times)
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Totland
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Mary was my 3x great grandmother b.1774 in or around Horley. She married John TAYLOR( 1771-1845) in 1796 in Horley. She was the illegitimate dau. of Mary RIDLEY. Are there any RIDLEY researchers who can help me find my Marys' family please?
Regards Liz
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kerryb
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Hi Liz and welcome to Rootschat 
If Mary was illegitimate have you tried looking her up on the National Archives site http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ there may be a bastardy order there?
Kerry
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davidtreb
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I saw your enquiry a week or two ago, but i haven't had a chance to pursue it until now. I have now been into Horley Library today, and had a look through the parish register transcripts which they hold for Horley and the neighbouring parish of Charlwood.
Unfortunately I'm afraid this has not produced anything very concrete, other than to confirm, and possibly amplify slightly, the details you already have -
27.11.1774 - baptism of Mary Ridley, daughter of Mary.
22. 7.1796 - marriage of John Taylor and Mary Ridley, by banns. Both parties described as 'of this parish'. He signed, she made her mark. Witnesses - Isaac Briggs, Elizabeth Newnham and James Harding. (Elizabeth Newman appears to have been a regular marriage witness, but the other two do not).
I could not find any other trace of the older Mary as a single woman - no baptism record, no subsequent marriage, and no burial record.
I wonder whether you have other evidence that the 1774 birth was illegitimate, or have you assumed this from the fact that only the mother is named? This would of course be the normal inference, but I did notice that there were about half-a-dozen instances of this around that date, and just two of these were specifically stated to be 'base born'.
So either this clergyman was inconsistent in his entries, or else he for some reason did not always record the husband (perhaps if the latter failed to attend the baptism??) I must admit I have never heard of this happening, but if it were the case I could identify the mother as a married woman quite neatly!
She would then almost certainly be Mary Smith, who married William Ridley, of Merstham, at Charlwood on 16.12.1770, and then had just one (other?) child baptised at Horley, namely Sarah on 10.3.1771.
They appear to have lived at Lee Street (on the west side of Horley), where he sadly hanged himself on 5.12.1796 (no age given, but there seems to be no evidence of any other William). Mary, relict of William, was then buried at age 74 on 8.4.1813.
Sorry that I,ve not been able to offer you very much other than some negative information, and some probably rather wild speculation!
Regards,
David.
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Totland
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Hi David
Many thanks for going to the Library & looking through the PRs. As there was no Mary Ridley snr unmarried it does look as though your "speculation" could well be fact. I had come to more or less the same conclusion.
regards
Liz
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davidtreb
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Dear Liz,
Out of curiosity, i have visited Horley Library again to have a look at some of the other entries where no father is shown.
Over about a ten-year period, i found that in the overwhelming majority of these cases, the child was specifically stated to be 'baseborn'. There were three other entries where this did not appear.
For one of these, I could find no other entry of any kind for the mother. so possibly the baptism was not in her home parish. In another case, the mother was married a couple of weeks later. Assuming that this was to the child's father, the vicar may have been aware at the time of the baptism that the child would shortly be 'legitimised'.
In the remaining instance (Beth Chandler, daughter of Eliza, in 1775), there were children born to a married woman of that name both before and after this one. This is not at all conclusive, because the next one is only a month later - so this baptism would have had to be late ( for which there is time) - and the surname is spelt Chantler in the other cases. On the other hand, I could again find no record of Eliza as a single woman.
This is unfortunately far from conclusive evidence either way, but I suggest it does at least leave open the possibility that we have identified your 4Xgreat-grandparents. If so, it seems that I have had to break the news to you that one of them committed suicide, for which I am sorry.
I have copied down the full entry for him, but if you would prefer not to see this, I shall quite understand. I will however mention that it is clear that there was an inquest, and suggest that if you were able to hunt down a report of this, it is just possible that it might mention relatives.
Regards,
David.
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Totland
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Dear David
Thank you so much for all the trouble you have been to on my behalf. I really do appreciate it. I would very much like to see the full entry for William Ridley.
I will see what I can do to find a copy of the inquest.
Regards
Liz
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davidtreb
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Dear Liz,
Glad to be of some help. A number of people have helped me from time to time with local lookups, so I'm pleased to be able to do something in my turn.
The full entry is -
December 5 1796 - William Ridley, buried in the churchyard without any service, having been found hanging in an outbuilding at the Chequers.
Verdict - felo de se.
The Chequers (currently 'Menzies Chequers', but always just 'the Chequers' to any Horley resident!) is on old coaching inn, at the junction of the A23 with the B2036. A road called Horley Row leading west from this junction becomes Lee Street about halfway between there and the A217. This is presumably where William and Mary Ridley lived, since it is given as her abode in the entry for her death in 1813.
Hope this is of some interest.
Regards,
David.
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Totland
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Hi David
Very many thanks for the exact burial entry.
Regards
Liz
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