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Topic: Maggies Scavenger Hunt......Everyone Welcome To Join In. (Read 1431 times)
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Tephra
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Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt.......I enjoyed reading this one, I'm sure you'll get into it quick smart.
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Barbara
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Hi Everybody,
The surname of ROSTHORN (also spelt ROSTHORNE, ROSTHRON, ROSTRON, RAWSTHORNE, to name but a few), is not a particularly common one. My quest is to attempt to find genealogical data that would bridge an approximate 40 year gap from the earliest established facts of my Rosthorn family to what is known of a Matthew Rosthorn born in 1721.
In the year 1765, a certain Matthew Rosthorn (1721–1805), left his native town of Preston, Lancashire to go to Vienna at the invitation of the Empress Maria Theresa, mother of Marie Antoinette, to establish the manufacture of metal buttons. He constructed the first rolling-mills in Austria and in 1790 the family were made members of the Austrian nobility. A search on G**gle of Matthias von Rosthorn brings up some detail about this family. More also here:- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,318758.0.html
My gt.gt.grandfather was Thomas Rosthorn and I have him and his descendants well documented.
From census information Thomas was born about 1818 in the village of Wilpshire, Blackburn, Lancashire.
From his marriage certificate I know his father was George Rosthorn, a Weaver.
See here for a bit of background:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,126140.0.html,
and reply #39 here for Catholic Rosthorns in Preston (although I have no evidence that my own Rosthorns were Catholic):-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,294890.30.html
In 1841 census (HO/107/502/12) it appears that his presumed father George, aged 60, and his wife Elizabeth (Betty) were living with their son Thomas and his family in Blackburn.
In the 1851 census (HO/107/2259/440/24) George, now a widower aged 70, is still lodging with his son Thomas and gives his birthplace as Wilpshire. I have copy death certificates for both George and Elizabeth.
There is a likely baptism date recorded on OPC Project at:- http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/index.html, for St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, 22nd July 1781, for a George Rosthorn, son of John Rosthorn and Martha, abode Wilpshire.
In the IGI, I have found a possible marriage of John Rosthorn to Martha Haworth on 20th September 1780 in Blackburn. I think they had at least 7 children.
On the OPC Project site, at St Mary the Virgin there is a marriage of George Rosthorn to Betty Fletcher on 19th July 1802, and subsequent baptisms of several children born to this couple. I have not been able to find a baptism for son Thomas either on OPC Project or the IGI. If it is accepted that George’s wife sometimes called herself ‘Betty’ (as in 1841 census) then hopefully this could be the correct marriage.
So…. gathering it all together, I am reasonably confident that my earliest known Rosthorn ancestor is John Rosthorn, born around 1760 at a place yet unknown, but who by the time of the birth of his son George in 1781 was living in Wilpshire, Blackburn.
So far so good…
But I have a gap of around 40 years between the birth of my John Rosthorn around 1760 and that of Matthew Rosthorn, described in para. 2, in 1721 in Preston, and I wonder whether any of the many talented RootsChat folk could take up the challenge to dredge up anything I have missed or suggest a line of research to tackle next. I am well aware that it is wrong to make assumptions that one is related to interesting people just on the strength of a surname, even a relatively uncommon one, but a cousin of mine is absolutely convinced there must be a connection and has set me the task of either proving or disproving it.
It may well be that this Hunt grinds to a very rapid halt, but you never know, and fresh eyes and a different line of approach are never bad things.
Good hunting and many thanks in advance.
Maggie
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Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.
Abbott In Islington
Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden
Lamb In Bolton and Ireland
Grundy In Bolton
Blackledge In Bolton
Osbaldeston ?? ??
Barnett in Islington
Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton
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Maggie.
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Hi Toni 
Welcome to my case 
added: I'm having trouble finding a relevant John. The baptism record for his son George that I found says he was living in Wlipshire, which is Blackburn area, in 1781 but I suppose he could have been born elsewhere in the area.
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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Maggie.
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Well thats an early surprise - I had no idea the local studies info. for Wilpshire were held in Clitheroe
So no - I haven't been to Clitheroe 
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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ShaunJ
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I am sure you have this already but it's useful background info (it's out of copyright):
"FRANCIS VON ROSTHORN
"PRANCIS VON ROSTHORN, who died June 17,
■■• 1877, was the son of Matthew Rosthorn, of
Lancashire, who went to Vienna in 1765, at the invita-
tion of the Empress Maria Theresa, to establish the
manufacture of metal buttons. He constructed the first
rolling-mills in Austria ; one at Vienna, another (in 1792)
at Fahrafeld, in Lower Austria. Matthew von Rosthorn
was ennobled by the EmperorJoseph.il. in 1790, and died
at Vienna January 3, 1805, leaving five sons. The
youngest of these, bom April 18, 1796, at Vienna, is
the subject of this notice. These five brothers joined in
creating extensive metallurgic establishments ; the first
(1817) at Oed; and another (1823) in Carinthia, for
smelting zinc (then high in price) out of the Raibi and
Bleyberg ores, by means of brown coaL Having pur-
chased (1826) the state demesne of Wolfsberg, in
Carinthia, with extensive metallurgical works, they con-
structed there a large rolling-mill, together with a puddling
furnace. Francis von Rosthorn, having prepared him-
self for his practical career by attending the Mining
Academy of Schenmitz, in Hungary (1814 to 18 18), soon
became acquainted with several eminent geologists, and
obtained the patronage of the late Archduke John. «He
made several scientific tours in Carinthia, Camiolia,
Styria, Salzburg, and the Hungarian border; in 1827
with Prof. Keferstein, in 1828 with Archduke John, in
1829 with Escher and Schrotter, and in 1832 with Dr.
Bou^. His annual visits to Archduke John at Gastein
(1829 to 1836) were always connected with Alpine explo-
ration. His later travels (1842 to 1847) were chiefly
southward. In 1832 he communicated the results thus
obtained to the Meeting of German Naturalists at Vienna ;
and in 1836 to the meeting at Freiburg. In 1848 he was
elected into the Legislative Assembly (*' Landtag") of
Carinthia ; and from 1852 to 1870 held the office of
President of the Commercial and Industrial Board of
that province. Francis von Rosthorn's constitution was
exceptionally robust, so that up to his seventy-sixth year
he was able to undertake arduous Alpine ascents.
His conversation with persons of any social station was
unaffectedly amiable ; but he could be sarcastic when he
met with affectation or baseless pretensions."
http://www.archive.org/stream/nature17unkngoog/nature17unkngoog_djvu.txt
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Angell - Norfolk/Cambridgeshire c.1780
Bale - Rotherhithe 1820's
Bradbury - Derby/Nottingham
Folder - Westmorland
Gale - Lymington/Rotherhithe 1780-1820's
Jones - Liverpool - c.1805 - Whitesmith
Grey - Llangwillog - c.1820
McCrickard c.1825 Ireland
Devine c. 1835 Dublin
Crane - Liverpool c.1805
Thornton - Liverpool c.1805
Oliver - Lambeth 1800's
Kendrick - London - c.1775
Hollis - Northampton - 1774
Potter - Leicester - c.1775
Cresswell - c 1780
Wingod - London
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Maggie.
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Thank for putting that up Shaun. I have seen it before but its interesting to have it up here.
Toni - Clitheroe only have a few census records for Wilpshire - no early records. Also there are no early records at Blackburn, which I would have thought was a more likely place.
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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Maggie.
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is Johns wife Ellen?
red notice
Maggie it says Clitheroe have the local study library so maybe maps / books etc ?
OPC Project birth of son George gives wife as Martha and I have found a marriage of a John R. to a Martha Haworth.
Just rung Clitheroe and they say they have nothing on Wilpshire apart from a few census records. Lancashire Records Office will have more
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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Maggie.
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George is son of John
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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