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Debbie658
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Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent Marriage Lookup please *COMPLETED, WITH THANKS*
« on: Tuesday 19 May 09 10:15 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has access to Parish records for Saint Mary's, Lewisham, Kent and be able to do a look up for me please?  I'm looking for details of a marriage Martin LANGSTON to a Jane STEEL in 1817

Am trying to find out parents of Martin and Jane and where they were born if possible?  They were my gr-grandmother's parents and any information would be gladly appreciated.

Deb Smiley
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Re: Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent Marriage Lookup please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 19 May 09 11:48 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Fathers names were not shown on marriage entries prior to 1.7.1837 - mothers names are never shown

Marriage entries do not show actual birthplaces - possibly just "OTP" which means of this parish.  This can often just mean that he satisfied the residential conditions for marriage - not necessarily that he was born there

I found this extracted record  on the IGI - is it one of their children?

MARTIN BOLTON LANGSTON   Christening:  27 DEC 1818   Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey   
Father:  MARTIN BOLTON LANGSTON    Mother:  JANE 

Did they move to Gloucester as there are several IGI entries for those parents

FREDRICK BOLTON LANGSTON   Christening:  18 MAR 1829   Chipping Campden, Gloucester
 
Father:  MARTIN BOLTON LANGSTON    Mother:  JANE 

ALFRED BOLTON LANGSTON  Christening:  25 MAR 1831   Chipping Campden   Father:  MARTIN LANGSTON   Mother:  JANE 

CHARLES BOLTON LANGSTON   Christening:  26 MAY 1833   Chipping Campden   Father:  MARTIN BOLTON LANGSTON   Mother:  JANE 

There were a number of others as well
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Re: Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent Marriage Lookup please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 May 09 12:16 UTC (UK) »

Deaths

Martin Bolton Langston December qtr 1837  Shipston On Stour
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Re: Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent Marriage Lookup please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 19 May 09 22:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi Carole,

Thanks for the replies.  Yes, I had a look on the IGI and that's where I found this marriage and some of their children.

I'm not a hundred percent sure about where Martin Langston Snr was born but I'm pretty sure that he was from Chipping Campden, Gloucester and that's why I was a bit puzzled as to his marriage in Kent.  Then him and Jane moving back to Chipping Campden where all their children were born or christened.

Maybe if I can get a lead as to where Jane was originally from might help me understand this puzzle.  Is there anywhere I can search to find Jane's parents apart from the IGI?

Thanks again for your help.
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Re: Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent Marriage Lookup please
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 May 09 22:51 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Unfortunately not.  It's possible she was from Kent and that is why they married there but it looks like Jane also died pre-1841 as 4 of the children are with Charles & Sarah Taylor

1841 for Chipping Camden.  All b in county except Sarah

Charles Taylor 69  agric labourer
Sarah   67 - not b in Gloucs
Clara Langstone 20 
Sarah Langstone 15 
Charles Langstone 7 
Leah Langstone 16 
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Re: Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent Marriage Lookup please
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 04:10 UTC (UK) »

Hi All,

I was curious as to the connection between the Taylors and the Langstons given that the orphaned children are living with Charles and Sarah 1841.

Found this;

Marriage; Sarah LANGSTON
Charles TAYLOR
25 December 1812
Chipping Camden, Gloucester

The marriage is submitted and there are several of them , but seems interesting Wink

So was Sarah Taylor Martins Mother remarried?

Also there are lots of Jane Steel baptisms on IGI so hard to figure out Shocked


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Re: Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent Marriage Lookup please
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 16:02 UTC (UK) »

Hi

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So was Sarah Taylor Martins Mother remarried?

Presume you mean Martin snr - not Martin jnr

Martin snr was born somewhere around 1795 or earlier as he married in 1817

Sarah Taylor nee Langston was born around 1774 so yes - it is possible she was his mother (I wonder was she nee Bolton)
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Re: Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent Marriage Lookup please
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 16:40 UTC (UK) »

Yes, sorry CaroleW.

I really didn't explain myself well Roll Eyes

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Re: Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent Marriage Lookup please
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 17:07 UTC (UK) »

Hi there. Martin Bolton Langston and Jane Steele were  also my great great great grandparents. Their daughter Leah Langston born Chipping Campden 1825 married George James Howman in 1847. At times they refer to themselves under the surname James as George Howman's mother Sarah married Benjamin James in 1827 the year after George's birth. But he lists Benjamin James as his father on his marriage certificate.

Martin Langston was born 1795 to Sarah Langston who then married and became a Taylor a few years later. There are references to Langstons in the area back to around 1450. They were landowners according to the county history but seem to have declined. I have found reference that Martin and Jane Langston and the whole family spent some time in the workhouse in the 1830s due to bankruptcy. Martin and Jane both died just before registration of deaths began. there is a death certificate for their son Martin. Their daughter Clara Langston born 1820 emigrated to Australia in 1852 and died 1881. She married a James Stuart her descendant Ted Russell 
has sent me copies of letters between 1852 and 1870 from her brother Alfred Bolton Langston to Clara in Australia which they have handed down. They offer a fascinating insight into the family. Alfred was born 1830. There were also some letters from Charles born 1833 who joined the Royal Artillery
Their daughter Emma Howman born 1851 emigrated to America in 1870, married my great grandfather John O'Malley in 1872 in Providence Rhode Island and moved back to John O'Malley's family home in Cupar Fife Scotland in 1875 upon the death of his father Martin. Their youngest child ( of ten) Clara born 1893 ( died 1987) in Provost Wynd Cupar married my grandfather Frederick Wood in Cupar in 1914. My father Frederick was born 1915. We are all from Cupar. Emma died three months after Clara's birth in Provost Wynd. They ran a travellers hostel there for 50 years. The O'Malleys came over from Co Mayo Ireland in 1848 and settled in Cupar.     

Leah Langston Howman died in 1914 in Chipping Campden but she spent much of the 1880s and early 1890's with her youngest son Martin Langston Howman (born 1865 in Chipping Campden)  who came to Cupar to take up the post of legal apprentice at the Cupar Sheriff Court,.He became Asst Procurator Fiscal for Orkney in 1888 or 89 and the 1891 Census shows Martin and his mother Leah living in Orkney. Martin then became Procurator Fiscal for Perthshire after 1900 AND REMAINED IN POST UNTIL HIS DEATH IN PERTH IN 1942.   

In the 1901 Census she is living with her married daughter Leah Langston Johnston in Foots Cray Kent and in 1911 IN Shropshire WITH HER SON IN LAW IN An inn there. 

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Re: Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent Marriage Lookup please
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 09:55 UTC (UK) »

Hi Alex,

Thanks so much for all this information.  It's wonderful! Smiley 

Do you know much about Jane Steele?  Do you know where she was from and who her parents were?  Have sent you a PM with my email address but you'll only be able to view it after a couple more posts. 

Never thought I would find any relations on Rootschat, it's great to have found one! Grin

Cheers,
Deb
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Re: Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent Marriage Lookup please
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 16:31 UTC (UK) »

Deborah I have tried to send you transcriptions of the letters and a narrative I wrote about Leah Langston Howman to the email you provided but I am unsure if they reached you. Please let me know Alex
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