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Lorand
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Hi,
Is there anyone researching the Botes family, who were mainly farmers in 1800's and lived in Blomfontein and Kinberely areas.
Thanks
Lorraine
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rutti tutti
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Hi there - thanks Tertius for joining up - we have some very helpful people here! you can deal directly with Lorraine now.
Lorraine I have found a Susara Maria Botes born 1897 and died 1979 in Bela Bela but no mention of a husband. Could be a possibility.
Ruth
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I have also found a Hendrik D Botes born in 1893 and died in 1977 in Schweizer-Reneke, He was married to
Susara J. van Dyk.Hendrik was the child of Jan Jacobus Botes & Hester Magrietha Combrinck. maybe Tertuis can shed some light here.
Ruth
Susara J van Dyk b 1893 died 1962 buried in Schweizer-Reneke
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Lorand
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Thanks Rutti and TertiusB
I would appreciate any help as my father's side is a real problem, due to the fact that they all lived in S Africa and we lived in Rhodesia. I only saw my oama, Susara a few times in my life so was not that close to her. However, the problem is that I don't know her maiden name. Botes was obviously her married name, but there again, I don't know her husband's name. I am more or less sure she died between 1963 and 1965 and maybe in Bloemfontein as she lived with her daughter, Miems Beckley a lot of the time.
I seem to recall that the Beckleys may have owned a small business ... laundry, cafe?? 
Regards
Lorraine
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Lorand
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Just remembered ... My Botes grandfather died just after my brother was born, as I remember my dad leaving for the funeral. My brother was born Nov 1952, so would have been 1952-1953.
Also my dad was always known as Chris Botes and never by Jacobus or Johannes, and these two names could have been the other way around.
Lorraine
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Danchaslyn
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Hello Lorand
I've spoken to-day to various Rhodie family members who know the addresses and businesses where your rellies were in Slbs. They will be asking around of others, who may have personal knowledge of your family. 
Also, one suggestion is that your Grandmother's family, may have been on one of the Treks?
Many Rhodie people (especially the Afrikaans speaking ones), had first trekked there from maybe the Orange Free State, (close to Kimberley), or wherever, on the numerous Moodie Treks, or the van der Byl Trek, and so on, and then, later, maybe even a generation later, returned to live in South Africa. 
Googling of the some of the Treks, or trawling through "Trek" books in a library, may give you some surname leads for your family. 
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
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Lorand
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Hi Danchaslyn,
Yes, now I recall my dad mentioning that his people were on the treks, but I wouldn't know which one. I'll try and find out more. My dad was the only one of the family who lived in Rhodesia. His mother Susara always lived in S A and I know they farmed in the Free State. He was the youngest of 11 children. Not all of them lived to adults though.
I have PM you with my email address if you would like to contact me further.
Thanks for all your help
Lorraine
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Danchaslyn
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Hello Lorand
It is amazing how one little clue can bring back memories one hasn't thought of for years and years.
Try, try and remember, if you ever heard the name of the Free State farm??
If we had that, it really wouldn't be to difficult to find out the farm's family history! 
Glad the trek jolt helped, as there wern't very many on the treks, if is definitely another search to try.
And, yes, thank you for your PM, to-day we had no electricity until half an hour ago, so will be emailing you soon.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
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YUILL, U.S.A.
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Danchaslyn
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Hello Lorand
As you know the rough death date of your Ouma, Susara Maria Botes, i.e. +/- June-July, 1964, probably at, or near Bloemfontein, I would suggest that you email the Archivist, in the VAB or RSA site of NAAIRS, and request a copy of her Death Notice.
I've had another look myself in both the VAB and RSA sections of NAAIRS to see if her Death Notice reference would be there, but couldn't find it, but an email direct, should, hopefully, produce the results you are looking for.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
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Danchaslyn
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Hello Lorand
As you know, traditionally, in Afrikaans speaking families, the eldest son is named after his father, or his grandfather.
From IGI there are several Jan Jakobus Botes, and variations.
Interestingly, some are from Brandfort, Orange Free State. Makes me think they could be possible branches on your tree?
i.e. Jan Jakobus Botes, b. 1851 Brandfort, OFS, m. 19 April, 1892, d. 16 Feb, 1926.
And, Jan Jakobus Botes, b.1873, Bloemfontein, d. 1899 Brandfort, OFS.
Jan Jonathan Botes, b.1878, m. 20 Feb, 1905 Anna Marria du Plessis, Zastron, OFS.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
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Lorand
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Hi,
My dad was the youngest of about 11 children, so not sure who he would have been named after, but I will check the IGI again with the Botes family.
Thanks for all the leads you have put in.
Lorraine
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Danchaslyn
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Hello Lorand
Well that's a clue in itself, as your Dad had THREE Christian names, so as he had Johannes Jacobus, and then Christopher, that would fit in with him being towards the end of the family, and having a third Christian name to distinguish himself from the possibly previously named elder brother, or brothers.
Good, good luck with tracing your parents' marriage details!
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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Danchaslyn
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Hello TertiusB
That is so cool that you already know of two of the JJ Botes, and that they are a father and a son!
Are they in your Tree then?
Thank goodness you can get into the Pretoria Archives and search there. What a treasure trove there must be there!
It's so frustrating that Lorand's Family Bible didn't show her Ouma's maiden name!! 
Any chance you, or someone you know, may be able to check her parents' marriage record, the wedding having taken place in Mayfair, JHB?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
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