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Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« on: Wednesday 20 May 09 16:11 UTC (UK) »
Hi I'm trying to find out information about this lady and further back about her parents any dates etc...

She was born 1846 in Moylgrove (we don't know when in 1846)
We don't know when she died either but I know she married Evan Davies 1866 (I've ordered the marriage certificate)

I've been told on the 1851 census she is living at Glandwr Moylgrove with parents Joshua and Mary and 8 siblings

So any info on any of these lot would be really helpful

Many thanks
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 18:30 UTC (UK) »
Birth
Jan/Feb/MAr 1845
Carmarthen
2b 534

Elinor Phillips

this doesnt look right in light of census below, as Eleanor is noted as a twin with Martha - but this birth entry does not have a MArtha on same page

But I cant see an entry that does have a birth for a Martha and an Eleanor on same page!
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 18:38 UTC (UK) »
Here is the 1851 - so we know who "these lot" that you want info on are !

HO107 2481 306 3

Joshua 43 Farmer 42 acres
Mary 38
Eliza 19
Rachel 17
Joshua 13
David 11
John 9
MAry 7
Eleanor 5
Martha 5  (twins)
Margaret 3
Ann 1                  all bn Moylgrove

Here they are in 1841 - same address
HO107 1446 22
Joshua 30 farmer
Mary 25
Eliza 8
Rachel 7
Joshua 3
David 1           (remember adults ages rounded)
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 18:57 UTC (UK) »
More children by 1861 - but Joshua is now widowed.

RG9 4177 21 18
Glandwr Moylgrove

Joshua 52 widower Farmer 40 acres
David 21 Mariner
John 19
Martha 15
Eleanor 15 (again enumerator has noted that they are twins)
Margaret 13
Anne 11
Jane 9
Thomas 7
William 4
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 19:06 UTC (UK) »
1871 same address
RG10 5540 81 3

Joshua 62 widower farmer 70 acres
J son 33 Master Mariner    (must be Joshua)
J son 29 Farmer                (must be John)
M dtr 23                             (must be Margaret)
A dtr 20                                (must be Ann)
J dtr 18                               (must be Jane)
Thos son 13
Wm son 14

(italics my comments)
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 19:08 UTC (UK) »
2 possible deaths for Joshua - on FreeBMD

1875 - age 66
1879 - age 69  both Cardigan reg distr
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 19:20 UTC (UK) »
I wont do any more for now - until you confirm if you want me to try and trace all 13 children on each census or not.

(Poss Wm in 1881 RG11 5425 5 4 married to a Mary Jones)
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 21:24 UTC (UK) »
Thank you liz I would love it if you can do more to help this is great so far Smiley
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 21 May 09 09:30 UTC (UK) »
not proving as simple as I hoped - not helped by Ancestry's confusing and unclear new set up on the pages that seems to have appeared in thelast few days - old system was much better!

so far:

Eliza
at home age 8 in 1841
at home age 19 in 1851
Cant see any obvious Eliza's bn in Moylgrove in later censuses. more than one possible marriage after 1851

Rachel
at home 7 in 1841
at home 17 in 1851
same story

Joshua
at home 3 1841
at home 13 1851
not known 1861 (maybe at sea?)
At home as a Master MAriner in 1871 (still single)
cant find anything dfinite in 1881 as yet

David
at home 1 in 1841
at home 11 in 1851
at home 21 in 1861
not found 1871

1881 RG115428 68 2
Penwen? Moylgrove
David 41 Farmer 180 acres bn Glandwyr Moylgrove
Jane wife 41 bn Trefynt? Moylgrove
Susan Jane Evans 16 dtr
David Joames Evans 10 son
William Thomas Evans 7 son
Mary Evans 12 dtr
Ann Martha Evans 4 dtr
Lizzie Phillips 4mths dtr    childen bn Penwen? Moylgrove

Looks very much as if this is a second marriage for Jane, and that she and first husband, a Mr Evans, lived at this farm Penwen?, with David taking it over when they married, pesumably in the last couple of years prior to the census.

BAck in a mo when I've looked for the next batch
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 21 May 09 09:37 UTC (UK) »
Thomas is the one who takes over the family farm at Glandwyr

Rg11 5428 69 4
Glandwyr, Moylgrove
Thomas 26 unm farmer 40 acres bn Glandwyr Moylgrove
Elizabeth Lewis servant dairymaid
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 21 May 09 09:43 UTC (UK) »
John is interesting

1851 -age 9 at home
1861 - age 19 at home
1871 - age 29 at home - farmer

1881
Rg11 5422 47 6
St Davids

Martha Davies 47 Mariners wife
4 Davies children, a servant and
John Phillips 37 Minor Canon and Curate bn Moylgrave

looks like he has gone into the church
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 21 May 09 09:53 UTC (UK) »
I think that is all I can get for now
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 21 May 09 14:41 UTC (UK) »
Liz that is what the rumour about him said so that is superb thanks for confirming it Smiley

Thank you so much for the information I'll print this off and show my dad tonight, he'll be very excited (this also means he'll phone his brother who will too !!!!)

Thanks again
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 21 May 09 15:19 UTC (UK) »
Just reread that bit about John, and I my guess is in 1881 that Martha Davies could be brother Joshua's wife as he was a Mariner.

do you think that makes sense?
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Re: Eleanor / Elinor Phillips Moylgrove
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 21 May 09 17:17 UTC (UK) »
Wouldnt like to assume anything.

John was just a lodger there.
There are LOTS of Mariners wives around!
David was also a Mariner in 1861 - so they moved in "mariner" circles as well as farming - so probably would have known families that wished to take in lodgers.
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