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chillertwist
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Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« on: Wednesday 20 May 09 19:25 UTC (UK) »


Hi

I'm currently researching the Vine family and I have got as far back as an Oliver William Vine.  His birth certificate states that he was born in Ross Union Workhouse in 1882, his mother is named as Sarah Ann Vine but no father is named on the birth certificate.

I can find nothing at all on Sarah Ann Vine and was wondering if anyone can help.  Living family say she had many other children but i can't find anything on a marriage, or any names.   

Perhaps someone out there has access to the Ross Union workhouse records?  Or other records that might feature Sarah Ann Vine?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards

Jade
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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 19:52 UTC (UK) »

Have you found hin in 1891/1901 censuses?

(had a quick look and cant see him in 1891)
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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 19:58 UTC (UK) »


No, i've not managed to find him unfortunately.  Some living family have said that he may have gone over to Ireland and then came back again which might explain why there is no trace. 
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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 19:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi, could this be what you're looking for,

SARAH ANN VINE = JAMES CORBETT 14th Mar 1887 Ross on Wye Hereford. IGI extracted.
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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 20:08 UTC (UK) »

ooh, that sounds extremely promising.  Thank you!!

I wonder if a Sarah Corbett was listed on the 1891 or 1901 census with any further children.  I know her son Oliver William ended up having his family in Bedwelty, Wales.

Thank you so much!

Jade
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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 20:25 UTC (UK) »

1891- could Oliver William Vine be using his middle name?Huh
4 Lewis' Cottages merthyr Rd Abergavenny
james Corbett Head m 31 ag lab Bosbury hereford
Sarah A wife 29 Redmarles? Worcester
William Vine Corbett Son 8 schlar Ross hereford
henry Thomas Corbett son 4 Bridstow Hereford
Alfred james Corbett 4mth St Nicholas hereford
RG12 4347 119 27

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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 20:34 UTC (UK) »

Sarah Ann Vine can be found as a servant in hereford in 1881 - free to view at family search

1871
Bully Glos
William Vine head M  ag lab hanton? Worcester
mary A wife  43 Upleadon? Glos
Sarah A daughter 9 redmarley Wrcester
Charlot daughter 7 redmarley
Eliza daughter 3 Redmarley
mary A daughter 1 Bully Glos
RG10 2605 69 12

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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 20:37 UTC (UK) »

I think this might be Sarah Vine's  birth on the BMD as Newent is near to a place called Redmarley .

Bordering Worcestershire

1861 Q2 Sarah Ann  VINE  Newent 6a233

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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 20:46 UTC (UK) »

1901
Llanellen? Rd Llanfoist Abergaveny Mon
James Corbett head M 41 Horde & Cattle man on farm Bosbury Hereford
Sarah Ann wife 39 Redmarley Gloucestershire
Alfred james son 12 hereford
Joseph son 10 Abergavenny mon
Agnes lewis daughter 8 Abergavenny
sarah Ann daughter 6 abergavenny
Albert Edwin son 3 Abergavenny
Deatrice daughter 6 mth Abergavenny
RG13 4930 126 9

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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 20:49 UTC (UK) »

look up the IGI list and found two Sarahs

SARAH ANN VINES christened 03 July 1861, Redmarley D'Abitot, Worcester.
Parents William Vines and Mary Ann.

Sarah Vine Christened 11 Aug 1861, Redmarley D'Abitot, Worcester 
Parents William Vine and Mary Anne

Am not sure what to make of those – two different families?

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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 20:55 UTC (UK) »

are they both extracted records??

Suz
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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 20:57 UTC (UK) »

Have a look at http://www.forest-of-dean.net/

The Forest of Dean Family History Society is transcribing parish registers and putting them on-line, including Redmarley and Ross on Wye, you'll find baptism of Sarah and Oliver.  Free to search once you've registered.

Sarah's mother's maiden name was Jones (lovely name to research!).

Susan  Smiley

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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 21 May 09 08:59 UTC (UK) »

Hello Suz

Both are extracted records.   Forgive me I am fairly new to this and I read somewhere, there are two types of IGI records extracted and something else, one means it's copied from the records and the other I think meant it was submitted by someone?   I don't know.

Steven
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Re: Illegitimate child - Ross Union Workhouse
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 21 May 09 17:36 UTC (UK) »

Thank you very much everyone.  This has really kickstarted my research again! 

Suzard asked if Oliver could have been known by his middle name.  That is correct, he always referred to himself as William apparently so I am quite confident that the census record you found is the same family.

Thanks again everyone for all your help  Smiley

Jade
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