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Topic: *completed* help!...What happened to Thomas Hyde post 1855? (Read 909 times)
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lindsayH
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Hi all....desperately trying to find out what happened to Thomas Hyde (abt 1835, Macclesfield) post 1855 when he married Hannah Proctor (abt 1837, Chapel En Le Frith) on 27th Dec 1855 in the Fairfield parish church. He lived in Fairfield with Hannah and her parents on 1851 census and then disappeared after his marriage to Hannah Proctor in 1855? ??
I have looked through all available resources via ancestry.com but still cant find him!!!
Pls any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated as it Thomas where my surname comes from (but I admit I am still trying to find the father of Sarah Hyde's children (Thomas's daughter), in particular Sarah's (1857, Fairfield) son Richard Hyde (abt 1899 Fairfield) who is my grandfather and so......well you get the picture about acquiring surmanes!
Is there any way of obtaining medical records for the Derbyshire Hospital around WW1 time....my g uncle was wounded in WW1 and returned home to Faifield were he was trreated for his wounds....possibly at the local hospital..would like to know what his wounds were as he died from these wounds a year later 4.4.1917
Regards.
Lindsay (Australia)
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lizdb
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In 1861 Hannah is still with the parents, though Thomas is not there.
rG9 2545 57 10
Fairfield
John Proctor 58 labourer bn Macclesfield Cheshire
Hannah wife 64 bn Derbyshire
Francis Proctor grandson 7 bn Fairfield
Hannah Hyde dtr Married 24 laundress bn F
Thomas Hyde 5 bn F
Sarah Hyde 3 bnF
William Hyde lodger Unm 23 bn Staffss
William Lawton lodger
Charles ODonnell lodger
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lizdb
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I cant see Thomas Hyde with the family in 1851?
HO107 2151 86 10
Fairfield
John Proctor 46 bn Macclesfield
hannah 53 bn Derbyshire
Hannah 15
Joseph 12
Michael 9 all children bn Fairfield
So where did Thomas's yr and place of birth come from?
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lizdb
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What occupation did Thomas Hyde give on the marriage cert to Hannah?
Could this be him in 1861?
RG9 2548 40
On ship "Rapid"
(wherever moored, it is under the same Chape-en-le frith reg district that rest of family is in)
Thomas Hyde 28 married Mate bn Manchester
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woody32
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"He lived in Fairfield with Hannah and her parents on 1851 census and then disappeared after his marriage to Hannah Proctor in 1855???"
He isnt living with Hannah in the 1851 ?? or have i read it wrong? (see above"
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lizdb
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That is what I am questionong too Woody, he isnt there on 1851
Therfore, where did the place and yr of birth come from, if he has never been found with Hannah.
We will have to wait till Lindsay comes back online to get some answers and some more info. As she is in Australia she is probably asleep now!
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lindsayH
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Not sure if this is a repeat posting reply but having issus with sending replies..but her goes anyway!
Sorry my mistake about Thomas and Hannah living together in 1851.
Thomas Hyde (1835, Maccelsfield) was living with his parents Edward Hyde (1798, Prestbury) and Sarah Hyde (1806, Laughbourough, nee Stevenson) in 1851, Macclesfield. Edward is listed as a Tailor and Thomas listed as a Tailor app.
Thomas married Hannah proctor in 1855, his fathers occupation was listed as a Tailor. They were married at the Fairfield Parish church. I have the parish entry.
Sarah Ann Hyde, Thomas and Hannah's daughter was born in 1857, Chapel en le frith. The occupation of Thomas Hyde the father, is listed as a Tailor on the birth certificate.
I am unable to locate any ref to our Thomas Hyde post 1855.
I would like to know what happened to Thomas Hyde and also if pssible get some clues as to the father of Sarah Ann Hyde's children, Edith (1878), George (1886) and Richard (1899). In particulr Richard my grandfather.....as this is where my surname shd come from whether it is Hyde or something diff!!
I have a copy of Edith Hyde's Birth Cert and there are no details of the father on the cert. I am also uinable to locate any entries for the birth of George and Richard. George used the surname Proctor post 1901 and Richard continued to use the surname Hyde up until his death in 1857, but this was obviously taken from Sarah's surname and not the father of Richard which well may be another Hyde for I know or another surname.
Hope you can help unravel this mystery. I appreciate any help on this one.
I tried to upload the birth cert and marriage entry but would not work.
Best regards.
Lindsay
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trish1120
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1861 census Hannah Hyde, 24, married and Daughter Sarah 3, and son Thomas 5 ,are with her parents. ( Lizdb has posted this  )
Interestingly there is a lodger William Hyde in household too.
Thomas could possibly be away working elsewhere and could have died by next census;
Possible death;
Thomas HYDE
March 1869
Hayfield
7b 494
Age 33
Or he could have just deserted her 
Trish
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lindsayH
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Hi Trish...thanks for your message re my attempts to find Thomas Hyde.
Im wary about the death index listing of Thomas Hyde 1869 in Heyfield you mention because of the diff in the age..Thomas Hyde shd be brn 1855/6 at the latest as the census info on Thomas I have to date is all within this date range...But I may have to order this death cert to check this one out...more cash!!
As for the desertion....yes apossibility but would you expect him to at least turn up in a census post 1855 anyway (if his did not die)? I am unable to locate this Thomas Hyde anyware...even if he was away for the 1861 census you would at least expect him to appear at some time!! Wouldnt you??..Im new at this game so any help is good help for me!....and great ly appreciated.
The lodger William Hyde is an angle but he dosent reappear anywhere post his 1861 listing when he is lodging with the Proctors..and Hannah..but the same surname is a curiosoty I am trying to follow..it maybe Thomas brother etc...
Thanks for your help....any advice would be gretaful
regards.
Lindsay (Australia)
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trish1120
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Sorry Lindsay but I dont understand your last posting
The death I thought could be your Thomas, is for Thomas, born 1835 Macclesfield, husband of Hannah. He would be aged abt 33 in 1869.
Although we cant locate him 1861 census he could be badly mistranscribed and working away from home.
Also what happened to Hannah, did she remarry or was she recorded as a widow in subsequent census?
Cant look now as bed time/work tomorrow
Trish
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spendlove
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Hello Lindsey,
Agree with other posts, I think that your Thomas Hyde died aged 33, in your latest post you say he was born
1855/6 - thing this date is for his son and you have mixed these two!
Re the William Hyde listed on the 1861 Census with the Proctor family.
He is on all the Census born 1838 Leek Staffs and living with his parents aged 13 in the 1851 Census
HO107; Piece: 2008; Folio: 413; Page: 4; Leek, Staffs.
He married Dec Q 1867 Birkenhead 8a 687 a Harriet Jane Bennett who was born abt 1842 Seacombe Cheshire.
1871 Seacombe Cheshire Rg10/3754 Folio 129 Pg 6 - his wife in this census only is listed as Jane, in following
census she is listed as Harriet J.
Re the children of Sarah Ann Hyde, in 1881 and 1891 census she is listed as un married, so her children will
be illegitimate. Cannot find in 1901 Census - so can you post this reference if you have found her?
Spendlove
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lindsayH
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Yes....you are all correct...Thomas Hyde was born abt 11835....i mixed up the dates b/w Thomas snr & Thomas jnr!....thanks for the replies and the info.
I will order the death cert for the Thomas Hyde listed March 1969 7b 494 Heyfield.....I am much more confident that this is the Thomas and that he was away some where during the 1861 census....Thanks Trish and spendlove.
I understand now that Sarah's children, Edith, George and Richard are illigitimate......but is there any way of finding out all from any resource??
I have posted the ref for Sarah Hyde in 1901 census..took some work because she and Richard are listed as 'Doxey' in Fairfield
Any info would be grateful.
best regards.
Lindsay
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spendlove
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Hi,
It is very unlikely that you would be able to discover who the farther/farthers of the children born to
Sarah Hyde probably the children themselves would not have known.
If she had claimed assistance from the Parish there may be records held at County Record Office, Matlock
however she appears to have an occupation so this is unlikely. Also she may have tried to claim money
from the Father again at this late date unlikely.
The following is a web page which gives some cases re Bastardy Papers, these are of an early date.
Michael, who's site this is, is always very helpful and will know if there are likely to be records at Matlock.
If you click on his name on the front page this will connect you to his e-mail.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm
Can I suggest that you submit a correction to the 1901 Census, which has been transcribed incorrectly
by doing this you assist others who may be researching this family and quite often they will make contact
with you.
Good Luck
Spendlove
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lindsayH
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Hi all...following on from previous posted info and replies......
I have recieved the death cert for Thomas Hyde (1835 - Macclesfield)
March 1869, Hayfield, 7b 494, Age 33. Copy attached.
But I cannot interprete the information on the certificate. In particular the occupation, cause of death and the info under the informant column.
Can anybody please help interprete this info?
Regards....Lindsay
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lizdb
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I expect the image will be removed for copyright reasons, Lindsey
However I believe it says:
DAte/place: 15Jan 1869, Brickvale
Name: Thomas Hyde
Sex: Male
Age: 33
Occ: Blockprinter
CAuse of death: Consumption 15 wks not certified
Informant: Samuel Hyde in attendance Brickvale Ollersett?
Date registered: 16 Jan 1869
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