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Elizabeth McEwan, Co. Mayo - b.1876
« on: Tuesday 14 July 09 14:28 UTC (UK) »
I am trying to trace my Grandmother Elizabeth McEwan who was born as a twin - both girls - in Co. Mayo in 1876.

She left Co. Mayo to live in  England but her sister remained in Ireland.  The earliest record I have is her marriage i n 1897 to Joseph Patterson in Newcastle Upon Tyne, England and the English 1901 Census where she is shown with her husband and family and living in  Newcastle Upon Tyne.

I also have the 1891 Census from Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne listing a family of McEwans.  The father John McEwan, Shoemaker is married to Joan who was born in Scotland.  However the head of the family, John and 6 of their 7 children were born in Ireland with Henry the youngest aged 2 years being born in Newcastle.  I believe it might be possible that Elizabeth McEwan might have been a relative who came across and stayed with them aged approx. 15.  Living in the next house to the McEwans was a family of Pattersons and I believe that Elizabeth could have been introduced to her future husband Joseph through this connection.

I have tried on line to trace Elizabeth's family in Co. Mayo without success and I would be very grateful for any assistance anyone can give.

Audrey
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Re: Elizabeth McEwan, Co. Mayo - b.1876
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 July 09 16:55 UTC (UK) »
Hello Audrey,

I have looked on Family Search where the Irish BMD's have been indexed and can't find anything either.
I have also had a look at 1901 census for Mayo.
In fact there is none of that spelling - there are McKeown, McKeon.

Is she definitely from Mayo? What was her twin's name? What was her father's name on marriage certificate?

sorry it's all questions  Roll Eyes
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is this her in 1901 RG13; Piece: 4780; Folio: 11; Page: 9

it says born Newcastle  Undecided
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Elizabeth McEwan, Co. Mayo - b.1876
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 July 09 17:18 UTC (UK) »
Hello again,
these may be totally irrelevant but..

there are twin girls born Newcastle 1876
Free BMD March 1876 Newcastle vol 10b pg 63

Elizabeth and Catherine McKeown

They are in 1891 census as McEwan

RG12; Piece: 4196; Folio 86; Page 34

with parents Thomas and Sarah (both born Ireland) and older siblings (both born Newcastle).

1881 RG11; Piece: 5054; Folio: 153; Page: 38
still McEwan and Catherine and Lizzie are different ages  Roll Eyes
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Elizabeth McEwan, Co. Mayo - b.1876
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 18 July 09 15:38 UTC (UK) »
Hello heywood
Thanks very much for your interest. 
I cannot find the 1891 Census entry as you detail in the programme I use  - Genes Reunited, but I can find an entry in Ancestry although I cannot get details as I don't subscribe.  Nor can I find the 1881 entry on FamilySearch. 
I have the 1901 Census for St. Andrews, Newcastle Upon Tyne RG 13/4780 for my grandfather Joseph Patterson with Elizabeth as his wife, aged 25 and 3 children.  I also have their marriage in September quarter 1897 10b. 285. 
I am ordering the Marriage Certificate for Joseph Patterson and Elizabeth McEwan and hopefully this will give me more information.  As soon as I have this I will post the results on this thread.
Again thanks for your help.

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Re: Elizabeth McEwan, Co. Mayo - b.1876
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 18 July 09 15:55 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

here they are:

1891 RG12; Piece: 4196; Folio 86; Page 34

40 Noble Street Elswick, Newcastle

Thomas McEwan 51yrs labourer b Ireland
Sarah McEwan 48 yrs b Ireland
Thomas McEwan 20 yrs labourer b Newcastle
Mary A McEwan 17 yrs labouring b Newcastle
Elizabeth McEwan 15 yrs labouring b Newcastle
Catherine McEwan 15 yrs labouring b Newcastle

1881 RG11; Piece: 5054; Folio: 153; Page: 38

40 Noble Street

Thomas Mc Ewan 42yrs labourer b Ireland 
Sarah Mc Ewan 43 yrs   -do- b Ireland
Thomas Mc Ewan 11yrs scholar b Newcastle 
Margaret Mc Ewan 7 yrs scholar b Newcastle
Catherine Mc Ewan 5yrs scholar b Newcastle
Lizzie Mc Ewan 3 yrs scholar b Newcastle

In the transcript it has Thomas b Armagh but that is from the previous entry which has 'Ireland Armagh' and only the Ireland has been dittoed.

I hope this helps- as I said may not be them but certainly a coincidence which is worth noting and perhaps following up later.

The marriage certificate will be useful as it should have her father's name and also the witnesses can sometimes confirm or point to an identity.

I look forward to the details. Wink
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Elizabeth McEwan, Co. Mayo - b.1876
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 July 09 17:00 UTC (UK) »
Hello heywood

Thanks for those details and I will get in touch again when I receive the Certificate.

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Re: Elizabeth McEwan, Co. Mayo - b.1876
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 July 09 15:30 UTC (UK) »
Hello Kath

I have received a copy of my Grandmother's Marriage Certificate dated 18th September 1897 and it shows her father as Thomas McEwan , factory labourer, all residing at 27 Noble Street, Newcastle Upon Tyne. 

With your help - we found them in the 1881 and 1891 census residing at 40 Noble Street with Sarah McEwan her mother b. Armagh, Ireland.  This seems to contradict the belief that my family had that they all came from Co. Mayo.

I cannot find Thomas, Sarah and the rest of their family in the 1901 census and wonder if they all went back to Ireland, leaving Elizabeth in Newcastle after her marriage. 

There are no records, that I can find, of any of the children's births, or any indication as to when Thomas and Sarah left Ireland for Newcastle.

However I will keep searching  - you never know!  

Thanks again.

Audrey
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Re: Elizabeth McEwan, Co. Mayo - b.1876
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 28 July 09 16:17 UTC (UK) »
Hi Audrey,

well some good news anyway- will just have a look at it all and think  Roll Eyes

I do advise you to check re the 'Armagh' bit - I have a feeling it was dittoed from previous entry.

I posted some possible births earlier so again it would be worth following- especially the twin girls birth in 1876- Elizabeth and Catherine McKeown- that would give you Sarah's maiden name and perhaps help with the marriage search.

Kath
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Elizabeth McEwan, Co. Mayo - b.1876
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 28 July 09 16:41 UTC (UK) »
Free BMD has possible records for Newcastle:

Marriage September 1891Margaret McEwan (she would be young though and not sure whether she is Margaret or Mary )
1897 Margaret McEwan

Death: December 1891 Thomas McEwen 49 yrs

Marriage September 1892 Sarah McEwan but there is only one bridegroom and two brides and the other bride married the groom that is there  Sad

There are, though,  lots of McEwans in Newcastle. Roll Eyes

Even if Elizabeth didn't have her father as deceased on the marriage certificate, there is always the possibility that he was- not always shown.

Thomas, the oldest child in 1881 is shown as being born in Newcastle around 1870 and at that time, Thomas and Sarah would be around 30ish. So they could have married in Ireland prior to arriving in Newcastle or in England if you could find the marriage.

I would try that birth certificate for Elizabeth and see what transpires re the name.

cheers
Kath
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Re: Elizabeth McEwan, Co. Mayo - b.1876
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 15:14 UTC (UK) »
Hi Kath

I have at last received the Birth Certificate for Elizabeth McKeown (not McEwan) with father as Thomas and mother Sarah - nee Hannen.  The writing on the Certificate is not good so Hannen is a good guess.  Thomas McKeown - X his mark - may account for the difference in the spelling - how would he know what was written.

I am now trying for Sarah Hannen and Thomas McKeown marriage in Ireland - so wish me luck!!

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Re: Elizabeth McEwan, Co. Mayo - b.1876
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 15:57 UTC (UK) »
Hi Audrey,
I do wish you luck  Wink Roll Eyes

I have looked on Family Search pilot for a suitable marriage and in Free Bmd for a Newcastle marriage but to no avail.

1871 has an entry for a Patrick and Sarah McEwen with a child Thomas 9 months
RG10; Piece: 5094; Folio: 20; Page: 2
This is the only Thomas aged about right according to other censuses.

Free BMD has a birth for a Thomas McEune  Huh

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