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Georgfriedrich
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Hallo,
I am trying to research the family of Edward Hall. Edward is a man of mystery. He says he was born in Grantham in about 1769. In 1794 he is in Essex, marrying Ann Browne. In 1795 he is Norwich, a soldier by profession. By 1800 he is in Hull and a boot closer. This is where he lived worked and died some time prior to 1841. His address was 6 Short Street and I know he advertised his business. I just have no idea as to his family background and it looks as if it might remain that way. He appears to have become a member of the Ebeneezer Baptists and it is only from their record of his later children’s baptisms that I know he comes from Grantham.
Are there any records of an Edward Hall being born in Grantham around this time? I cannot find any. 
Thank you
Kirk
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London/Greater London: Owen, Ford, Barber, Plank and . . . Smith.
Essex: Robjant, Brown (!)
Yorkshire: Fallowfield, Snarr, Wood, Dunn, Heron, Bean, Wright
Leics. : Flude, Smalley, Caris,
Northants: Flude
Lincs: Gibson, Hall (Grantham)
Staffs : Owen, Browne
Notts: Owen
Salop: Carver, Tristram
Kent: Reed, Gardiner, Vant, Ford
Wales:
Pembroke : Rees, Llewelyn
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rover72
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Can't find anything on the IGI for Edward. Not sure if the following helps or not:
James HALL, bapt 30th Aug 1772, Grantham. Parents: Wm & Eliz HALL
Wm HALL, bapt 26th Aug 1773. Died 2nd Apr 1775. Parents: Wm & Eliz HALL
Eleanor HALL, bapt 20th Jan 1775, Grantham. Parents: Wm & Eliz HALL
John HALL, bapt 14th May 1775, Grantham. Parents: Anthony & Rebecca HALL
Robert HALL, bapt 21st Mar 1776, Grantham. Parents: Wm & Eliz HALL
Jane HALL, bapt 23rd Nov 1777, Grantham. Parents: Anthony & Rebecca HALL
Mary HALL, bapt 15th Jan 1778, Grantham. Parents: Wm & Eliz HALL
Marriage - 29th Oct 1771, Denton (4 miles west of Grantham) - William HALL & Elizabeth GREEN
Marriage - 19th Dec 1771, Burton Coggles (8 miles SE of Grantham) Wm HALL & Elizabeth ELEANOR
Marriage - 19th Mar 1774, Grantham - Anthony HALL & Rebecca PARKER
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Georgfriedrich
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Thanks rover72.
I have seen Anthony Hall before on the IGI but there is just nothing to link him to Edward who was born a few years earlier. He really is a mystery.
Cheers
Kirk
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London/Greater London: Owen, Ford, Barber, Plank and . . . Smith.
Essex: Robjant, Brown (!)
Yorkshire: Fallowfield, Snarr, Wood, Dunn, Heron, Bean, Wright
Leics. : Flude, Smalley, Caris,
Northants: Flude
Lincs: Gibson, Hall (Grantham)
Staffs : Owen, Browne
Notts: Owen
Salop: Carver, Tristram
Kent: Reed, Gardiner, Vant, Ford
Wales:
Pembroke : Rees, Llewelyn
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Tom Piper
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Georgefriedrich
Is this him from Hull Packet Newspaper March 19, 1841
On Sunday, the 7th inst, at this place, (Hull), Mr. Edward Hall, aged 65 years, boot closer. He was the son of the late Sergeant Thomas Hall, of the Royal North Lincoln Militia, in which he was a drummer for twenty years. He has left a widow and numerous family to lament his loss.
I wonder if this is Edward's wife/widow:
Hull Packet Newspaper: April 20, 1855
Deaths
April 11, in this town, Ann, the widow of Mr. E. Hall, boot closer, for many years leading drummer in the North Lincolnshire Militia.
Is this one of their daughter's marriage:
Hull Packet November 23, 1855:
Marriages
November 19 at St. Charles’s, by the Rev. Mr. Trappes, George Kearns, to Mary, fourth daughter of Mr. Edward Hall, boot closer of this town.
However there is this one too, a son maybe:
Hull Packet October 19, 1866
Deaths
October 7, at his residence, Spencer-street, Hull, Mr. Edward Hall, boot-closer, aged 61 years
And this one too: same paper June 11, 1875:
Deaths
Hall-June 5, at Hull, aged 71 years, Mary, wife of Thomas Hall, boot closer
Tom
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Geoff-E
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I wonder if this is Edward's wife/widow:
Hull Packet Newspaper: April 20, 1855
Deaths
April 11, in this town, Ann, the widow of Mr. E. Hall, boot closer, for many years leading drummer in the North Lincolnshire Militia.
Is this one of their daughter's marriage:
Hull Packet November 23, 1855:
Marriages
November 19 at St. Charles’s, by the Rev. Mr. Trappes, George Kearns, to Mary, fourth daughter of Mr. Edward Hall, boot closer of this town.
Perhaps the mother's death made the marriage possible. Was this them in 1851?
6 Short St, Hull
Ann HALL (wid) 75 Pauper (Laundress), Staffs Overley
Mary LEE (dau,wid) 42 Trinity House Penshuner? (Laundress), Hull
Elizabeth LEE (dau) 17 Dressmaker, Hull
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Tom Piper
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Georgefriedrich
What is a boot closer?
geoff E; Yes that seems right, but it would seem that she has been married before to someone from either a lighthouse keeper or Customs maybe as she is a pensioner from Trinity House.
Tom
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woody32
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Boot Closer Person who stitched the leather uppers of boots and shoes
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LANCASHIRE = Wood,Howard,,Smethurst,Foxall,Cheetham,Brookes,Grime, Horrocks,Thornley,Arstall,Shawcross,Rowland,Mclean LINCOLNSHIRE = Featherstone Johnson,Toyne,Willson,
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Tom Piper
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He would have had strong fingers then, and that Mary was a Mary Lee also a widow, so married previously to a Mr. Lee, and Elizabeth was her daughter and grand daughter to Ann Hall.
Mary Ann Hall married George Kearns at St. Charles, in Sculcoates RD according to Free BMD Sculcoates 9d 338
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Geoff-E
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I have amended my post above ... I had thought that Lee was Do (ditto) and hadn't noticed she was a widow. Sorry 
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Tom Piper
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Geoff e
Yes your'e right, the Edward Hall who died in 1866 is the same Edward Hall, a boot closer in 1841, born Yorkshire in 1841 census, with a wife called Sarah, and 5 children, one of whom is called Mary, 15 years later she marries George Kearns, so neither are relation to Edward Hall, drummer etc.
I'm glad we have got that cleared up.
Now in 1841, in Short St, Hull is: (HO 107 piece 1231)
Ann Hall aged 66,
Mary Lee aged 34,
Elizabeth Lee, aged 7,
William Hall aged 20 (boot closer) Ann is the only one not born in Yorkshire.
No sign of Mary Lee's husband.
Trinity House pensioners sometimes lived in almshouses, and were given handouts of coal and provisions during cold winter weather. Trinity House is quite prominent in the local Hull Newspaper, the Hull Packet.
Tom
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Georgfriedrich
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Goodness me you have found him!
Short Street Hull is the place, bootcloser was the occupation and Ann was his wife. Mary Lee was his daughter and John my ancestor his son who was a boot closer too. I have seen an advertisement of Edward's in one of the directories.
And he was in the militia at least in 1795 when his son was born in Norwich.
Thomas was also his son and his wife was Mary but I am not sure if that Thomas and Mary are our Thomas and Mary.
However Edward is correct and that is what I was looking for.
Now I can obtain the death certificate and then get stuck into researching the father.
Well I must say that I am well pleased with this response: Thanks Tom and Geoff! 
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London/Greater London: Owen, Ford, Barber, Plank and . . . Smith.
Essex: Robjant, Brown (!)
Yorkshire: Fallowfield, Snarr, Wood, Dunn, Heron, Bean, Wright
Leics. : Flude, Smalley, Caris,
Northants: Flude
Lincs: Gibson, Hall (Grantham)
Staffs : Owen, Browne
Notts: Owen
Salop: Carver, Tristram
Kent: Reed, Gardiner, Vant, Ford
Wales:
Pembroke : Rees, Llewelyn
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Georgfriedrich
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In reply to a message from Tom in the Lincoln section regarding the Gibsons here is what I wrote in response to his kind offer of assistance:
Hi Tom,
Yes you can help - if you are able to.
Apart from the information I put in my first message all I know is that they lived in Sculcoates and I have this marriage which is correct:
John Hall married to Elizabeth Gibson at Christ Church Sculcoates, 4th of June 1827.
and these possibly linked marriages at the same church:
Richard Gibson married Sarah Wilkinson 23 August 1824
This one could be mine but these next two are too vague for me to be sure:
Hannah Gibson married Peter Neary 9 April 1820
Mary Gibson married George Beadling 30 October 1823
I know that Elizabeth Hall died 13 December 1857 at 6 Short Street but I do not know when John died. I do know he was a bootcloser though and was alive in 1861 but dead in 1871.
I have copied the post here too because it is mostly Yorkshire related.
Cheers
Kirk
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London/Greater London: Owen, Ford, Barber, Plank and . . . Smith.
Essex: Robjant, Brown (!)
Yorkshire: Fallowfield, Snarr, Wood, Dunn, Heron, Bean, Wright
Leics. : Flude, Smalley, Caris,
Northants: Flude
Lincs: Gibson, Hall (Grantham)
Staffs : Owen, Browne
Notts: Owen
Salop: Carver, Tristram
Kent: Reed, Gardiner, Vant, Ford
Wales:
Pembroke : Rees, Llewelyn
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so it looks like the wrong family doesn't it?