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rvolpato169
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Owen John Lamb b1857 Dundalk, Louth
« on: Sunday 24 May 09 00:06 UTC (UK) »
I am trying to trace the birth record and parents of my great grandfather Owen John Lamb who moved to Durham England sometime around 1870-80 and joined the Durham Light Infantry.

According to the 1881 1891 1901, 1911 England census he was born c1857 in Dundalk, Louth

According to his marriage cert his father was a farmer called Michael Lamb.
When he married Isabella Bell in 1888 his father was recorded as deceased.

Family memory believes that he came from somewhere near Crossmaglen - presumably the farm was somewhere nearby.(Probably a small farm and his father Michael was a tenant farmer - if it had been large I am sure there would have been family stories about it).

Other than the name Michael I have no other information on the family - whether or not they were siblings etc.  As I cannot find any trace of any family vaguely fitting Owen's in England Census data I have to assume he came to England on his own.

I have searched through all the Irish records I can find and have found the name Michael in relation to some small farms near Mounthill and Haggardtown but I can't find a way of determining whether or not it is my ancestor.

Owen had six children to Isabella Bell who were:
Nora Mary b1889
John George b1890
Walter Edward b 1892
Robert James b1894
Thomas William b 1896-1961
Rose Eleanor b1899

Nora, Rose and John all died in early adulthood according to family memory and never married - John was killed in WWI - again family memory have not been able to catagorically verify this with military records - too many John Lambs.

Robert James Lamb married a Florence Driver and lived in Bradford, England and had at least 3 children, Frank, Stanley and Nellie.

Walter Edward no-one seems to know too much about him but believe he married.

Thomas William was my grandfather who married Mary Elizabeth Crozier (b1900)
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HugoBeauchamp
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Re: Owen John Lamb b1857 Dundalk, Louth
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 24 May 09 07:48 UTC (UK) »
Have you looked at Griffiths Valuation ..........................?

http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_form.php

There are two Michaels and interestingly, two Owens shown.

The survey was carried out between 1848–1864. (I have seen somewhere a narrower period for when Co Louth was surveyed, but can't remeber where!).

I knew I had seen something like this somewhere regarding the dates of the Valuations, have a look at .............http://www.deliapublications.com/More2Griffith.htm

HTH

HB
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McNally/McAnally - Drogheda, Co Louth
Russell - Mitchelstown, Co Cork
Hyland - Mitchelstown, Co Cork
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Re: Owen John Lamb b1857 Dundalk, Louth
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 24 May 09 13:11 UTC (UK) »
Yes thats where I got the information about Haggardstown and Mounthill from - both Michael Lamb but no way of determining if either one is my ancestor.   I am inclined to think if it is any it is Mounthill because that is closer to Crossmaglen.

Yes Owen is a very popular name in that area - presumably after Owen Roe O'Neill an Irish nationalist in the 1600's

But thanks for your suggestion Smiley
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HugoBeauchamp
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Re: Owen John Lamb b1857 Dundalk, Louth
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 24 May 09 13:52 UTC (UK) »
Have you looked on the IFHF site at.............

http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/index.php
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Magee/McGee - Drogheda, Co Louth & Dublin
McNally/McAnally - Drogheda, Co Louth
Russell - Mitchelstown, Co Cork
Hyland - Mitchelstown, Co Cork
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Re: Owen John Lamb b1857 Dundalk, Louth
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 24 May 09 22:05 UTC (UK) »
 Yes I have checked out that site and cannot find an Owen Lamb for that date - there is one for 1853 but given the sites charges it is an expensive form of elimination.

I am surprised the IFHF doesn't in the initial search give location and date so that its possible to make a judgment about whether or not it is the right ancestor's record or have an intermediary step and charge a lower amount for a search with more details like Scotland's People.

Have found a Michael Lamb marriage at about that time but the full record would not help much at this stage as I don't have any way of determining if it is the right ancestor other than the name and occupation - and I am sure at that time a farmer was a common occupation.

Thanks again for the suggestion  Smiley
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Re: Owen John Lamb b1857 Dundalk, Louth
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 24 May 09 22:12 UTC (UK) »
Oh just realised I have not mentioned that my ancestors were Catholic I don't know if that opens up any other sources of information that I haven't thought of.

I have a checked out the Emerald Ancestor site - although that as you probably know is limited to Northern Ireland, but I get the impression talking to living family members that where my ancestors lived straddled the two countries - even though at the time they lived it was not two countries.
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