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ljay
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Birth family information Mar 1832 and June 1839 please
« on: Tuesday 26 May 09 07:16 UTC (UK) »
I am looking for any information on the birth families of two ancestors who were eventually naturalised in Providence, Rhode Island.  Both came from Roscommon.   Details are as follows:

Patrick Hanly born 17 March 1832 - Patrick went to the US arriving on 2 May 1848 and was naturalised on 27 March 1863.  His witnesses at the time were a Patrick Barlow and a Michael Connelly - did all three come from the same area initially perhaps?

John Hanley born 10 June 1839 - John arrived in New York on 1 May 1849 and was naturalised on 1 Apr 1875.  His witnesses were James Hanley and Patrick McDermott - again did John know these two from childhood perhaps?

Thank you for any help or advice you are able to offer and also for taking the time to consider this request.  Ljay
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Re: Birth family information Mar 1832 and June 1839 please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 07:49 UTC (UK) »
Unfortunately to trace the families in Ireland you will probably need a more exact location than 'Co.Roscommon.' Civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages began in 1864 (other marriages from 1845) so you need to search for church records (if they exist) which is why you need to know the parish, if not the townland, in Ireland.
In regard to the question of witnesses- in any Naturalisations that I've found the witnesses were NOT related in any way. I know that on many official forms now (passport, etc.) witnesses must not be related but not sure what the rules were for U.S. naturlizations at that time.
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ljay
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Re: Birth family information Mar 1832 and June 1839 please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 08:21 UTC (UK) »
Thank you very much for your quick response and advice.

The only link to a location in Roscommon I have is another birth in Salmons Lane, Ballyleague - would there be any church records available in that area to check out perhaps?
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Re: Birth family information Mar 1832 and June 1839 please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 09:37 UTC (UK) »
Ballyleague is about 19km North-West of Roscommon Town

do you know what religion the family were ?

link to Roman Catholic Parishes of Roscommon : http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/roscommonrc.htm

Ballyleague looks to be a very small place, but seems to be in the Roscommon/Kilteevan RC parish




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Re: Birth family information Mar 1832 and June 1839 please
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 10:34 UTC (UK) »
Hi Shane - thanks for your help with this.  The family were Catholic so I will check out the link you so kindly sent me.  Finding details pre-registration seems quite difficult and it doesn't help that there seem to be an awful lot of Hanlys/Hanleys from Roscommon!!  Ljay
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Re: Birth family information Mar 1832 and June 1839 please
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 10:21 UTC (UK) »
This map shows a chapel being in Ballyleague townland
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/MAPS/ballaghRC.html

The Familysearch site has some information but shows no records prior to 1865
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=110065&disp=Parochial+registers+of+Ballagh+%28Roscom%20%20&columns=*,0,0

There was a John Hanley living in Ballyleague in the 1850’s
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_results.php?familyname=hanley&firstname=john&countyname=ROSCOMMON&baronyname=&unionname=&parishname=CLOONTUSKERT&submit=Start+Searching
If you click on the map, Ballyleague is at the bottom left of the rectangle. John Hanley lived at 12b which is under the ‘E’ of Cloontuskert.

A mention of the townland should be here
http://www.logainm.ie/Image.aspx?PlaceID=43849&Url=Box+40%5c43849_2.JPG&NoBlock=yes

Hope the links work.
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Re: Birth family information Mar 1832 and June 1839 please
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 12:49 UTC (UK) »
Hi - thank you so much for these links and yes they do all work.  Have also found a John Connolly just round the corner which is interesting as I think my Patrick married a Mary Connolly.  Ljay
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