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'Trish'
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Florence Julia Howe DAVIES - Census
« on: Tuesday 26 May 09 18:06 UTC (UK) »

In 1881 Census 13 Milton Road, Wokingham
James Watts head age 35 Auctioneer and Estate Agent also Coal & Coke Merchant. Wokingham Berkshire
Julia Watts wife age 34 born 1847 Wokingham
Julia E Watts age 6 scholar at home Wokingham Berks
Florence J H Davies adopted daughter Scholar at home 10 born Ashburton Devon
Elizabeth J Mansfield F age 21 Gen Dom Servant Wokingham Berks

1891 Census 7 Broad Street
Watts James Married M age 48 1843 Auctioneers Valuer Surveyor Land & Building House agent & Secretary to The Wokingham Water Company
Watts Julia Wife married F age 44 1847 Wokingham
Watts Julia Edith daughter single f 16 1875 Wokingham
Watts Ralph H Son single M age 9 1882 Wokingham
Watts Hubert S Son Single M age 8 1883 Wokingham
Watts Harold Son Single M age 4 1887 Wokingham
Watts Florence J H Davies adopted daughter single F age 20 1871 Wellington Somerset
House Florence Servant single F age 13 General domestic Servant Arborfield Berkshire

Could anyone tell me who were the parents of Florence Julia Howe Davies born 1871 in Ashburton Devon?  I have a strong believe that Florence was brought up by her cousin J Edith Hall nee Watts, either because her parents died or her mother married again.  Florence's parents may be Agnes Sophia Davies nee Watts & Thomas Roberts Davies(of Newmarket Canada married Mar q 1855 in Wokingham).  Agnes Sophia is listed on a headstone in the baptist church, Wokingham but doesnt give a date:
In loving memory of
James Watts who died May 4th 1863 aged 59
also near this spot
Maria Elizabeth wife of the above who died March 8th 1846aged 41
also of Agnes Sophia wife of T R Davies
................illegible

Can anyone spot the family on any census

Thanks regards Pauline.
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Re: Florence Julia Howe Davies
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 18:33 UTC (UK) »

you want the family post-1855 marriage ?

assume you have Agnes Sophia with her parents in 1851 Wokingham ? (James & Christiana) ?

couldnt see a Birth Index entry for Florence ?
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Re: Florence Julia Howe Davies
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 18:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pauline (and LKL Smiley),

Are you positive the middle name is Julia?

The one birth registration I can see is Florence Isabel H Davies, Jun quarter 1871 Tiverton.

This girl seems to be 1 month old in 1871, daughter of a Julia:

1871
RG10/2167 52 29
Collumpton, Devon
Gravel Walk

Lucinda Skinner, head, wid, 80, Tallow Chandlers wid, b. Devon Uffculme
Julia Davis, niece, mar, 35, Draper's wife, b. Devon Uffculme
Florence I Davis, grand niece, 1 mo, b. Collumpton
Mary Ann Blackmore, nurse, mar, 42, Nurse Carpenter's wife, b. Uffculme

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Re: Florence Julia Howe Davies
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 18:46 UTC (UK) »

Oops - there's another thread for her Tongue
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383907.0.html
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Re: Florence Julia Howe Davies
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 18:46 UTC (UK) »

duplicate
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Re: Florence Julia Howe Davies
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 18:48 UTC (UK) »

Looks like you found the missing mum and dau' then Tats - but using another name .... Drapers wife, has to be her ? Cheesy
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Re: Florence Julia Howe Davies
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 18:50 UTC (UK) »

I hope so!

Maybe a second marriage, possibly this one?

Marriage Dec 1870 Newton Abbot 5b 286
Thomas Robert Davies - Julia Curwood

(The 1861 census shows a 25 year old Julia H Curwood born Uffculme)

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Re: Florence Julia Howe Davies
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 19:04 UTC (UK) »

The IGI has this christening:

Julia Curwood
birth 5 March 1832, christening 25 July 1834
Uffculme, Devon
Parents Thomas Curwood and Hannah

Searching for a Thomas Curwood/Hannah marriage gives this:
Thomas Curwood - Hannah Howe
9 April 1828
Uffculme, Devon

and a Lucinda Howe marries a Robert Skinner in 1819, Uffculme

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Re: Florence Julia Howe Davies
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 20:46 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Can I just add that the 1871 census has Thomas Davis shown as a widower and then crossed out and married inserted

If the Julia Davis in 1871 is the correct one (which I'm sure she is)  is it her "death" we should be looking for

I still say you should get a copy of Florence's birth cert as there are too many "maybe's" and not enough definites
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Re: Florence Julia Howe DAVIES - Census
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 07:16 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sophia Agnes's mothers name was Maria Elizabeth so it looks like she used her mothers name.  Hmm, I wonder why?  Thanks,, for the second marriage, I thought there must be one but just couldnt find it!  Thanks again, most appreciated.

regards Trish
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Re: Florence Julia Howe DAVIES - Census
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 07:33 UTC (UK) »

Not only do we have the connection to Maria Elizabeth Watts nee Weeks, mother of Agnes Sophia but the name Howe - Florence Julia Howe Davies was born Ashburton in 1871, so her father wasnt around when she was born, gets more & more involved.  Agnes Sophia must have been pregnant and the father married her in 1855, but left her more or less straight away and married again in 1870.  I wonder if she was legally divorced? 
Could anyone give me the 1871 Census for Thomas Davis widower (crossed out then altered to married).
Looking at this it looks as though they must have emigrated before 1855 as eldest daughter Maria Elizabeth Davies was born in Newmarket Canada.  Hmmm gets more & more tied in knots!
regards Trish
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Re: Florence Julia Howe DAVIES - Census
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 07:43 UTC (UK) »

Trish - there doesn't seem to be a Florence Julia Howe Davies - we could only find a Florence Isabel.

The 1871 census has been transcribed twice already, once here and once on your other thread.

Do we have any evidence that Thomas Robert Davies wasn't a widower*?

(*when he remarried ca. 15 years later) 
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Re: Florence Julia Howe DAVIES - Census
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 07:46 UTC (UK) »

On some paperwork she is named as Florence Isabel Howe Davies on another Florence Julia Howe Davies.  Both born Ashburton 1871.  So somewhere along the line someone has put the wrong name Julia.
I wonder if there was more children born to Agnes Sophia & Thomas between their marriage in 1855 and his second marriage in 1871.
regards Trish
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Re: Florence Julia Howe DAVIES - Census
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 09:32 UTC (UK) »

By deleting the comments on this thread that 'twas a duplicate of another one - and that at least 2 people had wasted time in duplicating results - the opportunity to alert the OP (Trish) of 'best-practice' in posting requests has been lost.

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Re: Florence Julia Howe DAVIES - Census
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 13:38 UTC (UK) »

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Could anyone give me the 1871 Census for Thomas Davis widower (crossed out then altered to married).

I have already posted full details on your duplicate thread

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383907.0.html
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