Bosuns Call
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Hi Puffcat,
I believe I've found Emily Augusta Parry in the 1881 census but she is listed as Edith A Parry. The census is Class: RG11 Piece: 2442 Folio: 31 Page: 14 and she is living at 8 Portland Place, Walcot, Bath.
Edith A. Parry 38 Widow Receiver Of Dividends born Balham, Surrey
Mary M. Parry 19 daughter born Bath, Somerset
Emily M. Parry 17 daughter born Argyleshire
Grace M. Parry 13 daughter born Shropshire
Mary A. Soloman 48 Cook Domestic Servant born Wales
Eliza Gamblin 17
Lavinia White 22
The family employed the same cook in the previous census.
I've also found her in the 1891 census, still in the Walcot, Bath region Class: RG12 Piece: 1937 Folio 146 Page 22
Emily A M Parry 50 Head Widow living on own means born Balham, Surrey
Grace M Parry 23 daughter born Lydbury, Shropshire
Augusta G Fearon 61 Lodger born Madras, India
In the 1901 census Class: RG13 Piece: 1039 Folio: 132 Page: 3 Emily A Parry is aged 60 and living in Bournemouth with her brother a retired army Colonel. I can't make out his name, could be George A Strover? It looks like Ldm in the one section for Emily, so would that make her a lunatic and dumb?
I can't find either of the sons after 1881. I'm guessing they either died or emigrated.
If the family had sufficient funds to rent Kinnersley Castle, Totterton Hall and properties in Bath too, then they probably rented land in Kent/Surrey. Possibly they rented land all over Herefordshire and that's why James Price was working in Shobdon?
I'm now definitely going to write a snail mail letter to the present owners of Kinnersley Castle to ask if they hold any records of the staff of this time period. It would be great to build up a picture of their working lives.
Best wishes,
Bosuns Call
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Price - Herefordshire
Hyett - Herefordshire/Gloucestershire
Philpotts - Herefordshire
Ladle/Ladell - Norfolk
Vale/Vail - Herefordshire
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Puffcat
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It does look as though Emily's maiden name was Strover.
Maybe James was part of the Garden Makeover fashion of this part of the C19. Some of the large houses in Herefordshire and around were landscaping their grounds with trees and so on at this time.
Going back to George's birth - his Mum was born in Radnorshire. Do you think she might have gone home to Mum to have George if perhaps it was a difficult pregnancy, James was working away, or the other kids were driving her mad ? There are 3 possibilities on Free BMD, 2 in Presteigne and 1 in Hay. Worth a phone call to Register Office perhaps ?
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Bosuns Call
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Hi Puffcat,
The birth and identity of George's Mum is just as confusing as her son.
1891 census she is Susan born Shobdon.
1881 census she is Susan born Presteign, Radnorshire.
1871 census she is Susanah born Presteign, Radnorshire.
1861 census she is Susan born Staunton-On-Arrow.
1851 census she is Susanah born Shobdon.
While in the Kinnersley parish records she was recorded as Susanna in 1843 and Anne in 1847.
Name changing does seem to be a common theme for some family members which is worrying. George Henry's daughter, my great aunt Elsie Susan, was also known as Eliza, Susan Lucy and she was Lucy to my family. So in the end she went by a completely different name. I do fear that George Henry was christened under another name. When it comes to names I think they must have changed their minds constantly. As I've mentioned previously, when I looked at the Kinnersley parish records themselves and I found the baptism of Arthur 14 Feb 1847 the paper was damaged as you could clearly see that the name George had been written in then the ink soaked up and the name scrubbed out to be replaced by Arthur. With the family already having one son named George why name another son George? That makes me worry that perhaps George Henry was baptized under a different name.
If I were to apply to the Register Office, which one would it be? I know Hay like the back of my hand but I also know it's a dog's dinner when placing it under the relevant authorities. Over the years of course it has come under the authority of Brecknockshire, Radnorshire, Herefordshire and Powys. Even now the postcodes are HR for Herefordshire but depending upon which side of Cusop/Clyro you live then Brecon, Leominster (Hereford) and Llandod can all have a claim on Hay and that region. So I'm completely lost when it comes to applying for BMD certificates in that region.
Come to think of it, does anyone know where the Records Office is for the old Radnorshire district? If I search the parish records first I could save myself a small fortune. 
Best wishes,
Bosuns Call
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Puffcat
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I am not sure if all their Records are centralised or not, but Presteigne comes under the Knighton Office and Hay has its own. If not its central at Llandrindod Wells I assume.
If a family lost a baby years ago they would re-use the name, perhaps several time with child mortalilty so high. Someone told me recently that his family had a baby and baptised it William as the 2 year old William was ill and not expected to live, but did and the family ended up with 2 Williams!!
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Puffcat
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A possible link for Shobdon with Kinnersley area.
Shobdon Court had a parterre made in 1860ish by William Andrews Nesfield. He also did works at Broxwood Court, Nieuport, Garnstone all close to Kinnersley, and other places like Stoke Edith, Willey Hall, all designs on parkland.
Look him up on Google and see if you think this is a possibility.
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Seems that James was not a general gardener tidying up the flower beds but possibly assisting in laying out the grand schemes the wealthy Victorians were having laid out.
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Apologies if this has been mentioned - my sister has sent me the link as we are researching Prices of Kinnersley - a different lot probably.
Have you seen this?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/Letton/Littlebury1876.html
Jas Price mentioned as Head Gardener at Kinnersley Castle.
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That's the one! In some ways it's made it easier because it was a family name and is so unusual. On the other hand we've found about 8 spellings so you can't use it to search.
Maybe it will turn out that we are linked in some way.
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I noticed it recently as Permelia and was amazed as I have a Permelen, born around 1797 in Worcestershire.
Have never seen the name or anything similar before
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Puffcat
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As mentioned a couple of times, James Price in down in 1876 Littlebury's Directory, but he is also in the Jakeman and Carver Directory of 1890 as head gardener to Reavley at Kinnersley Castle and livng at Hurstley Letton [land also aowned by Reavley as Lord of the Manor]. He must have been an old man by then.
But on the 1895 Kelly's Directory of Herefordshire it is George Price of Hurstley who is down as Head Gardener to Thomas Reavely.
JAmes died aged 87 in December 1890
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Is there any chance either of them left Wills?
Regarding the Directories, you had to be a way up the pecking order in a Village to be listed in these. So the Head Gardener for Mr Reavely was obviously 'someone'.
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