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Puffcat
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Have you found James and Susanna and baby Sarah in the 1841 Census ?
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Puffcat
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If you look up James and Susanna on the 1881 Census you will find:
James PRICE Head M aged 73 Born Staunton hereford Gardener
Susan PRICE Wife M aged 71 born Presteign Radnorshire
George PRICE Son U aged 37 born Kinnersley Farmer
Sarah Ann PRICE Daugher U aged 40 born Shobdon Hereford
living at Hurstley Letton
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Puffcat
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I meant to add - it does look as though they are brothers both born Staunton.
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Puffcat
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I think that vic1 is referring to the Register Office records not the Records Ofice. The ones for north Herefordshire are mostly in Leominster these days, but not entirely,
The Register Offices hold the Births deaths and marriage copy certificates while the Records Office in Hereford holds the Ecclestiastical records.
Certainly some copy certificates might help unravel this.
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Puffcat
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A long shot perhaps, but Kinnersley and Shobdon, as George's father is working at Kinnersley Castle, is he also working on another estate owned by the same family in or near Shobdon ?
And if he is a skilled gardener did he move somewhere else for a while for the same family perhaps, and George Henry was born in Shropshire or Radnorshire ?
There must have been a reason to work between the 2 places because it is an awfully long commute with roads so poor at this time !!
Just a thought.
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Bosuns Call
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Hi Puffcat,
I too am puzzled by the movement of James Price. Being born in Staunton-On-Arrow and marrying Susannah from nearby Shobdon makes perfect sense. Being employed as a 'hired servant' in work at Kinnersley Castle while living in Shobdon makes little sense unless he was already employed by the same family, or some other similar situation in Shobdon.
Funny that you should mention Shropshire. I find George Henry in the Kinnersley area in the 1851 census and in the 1881 census but I have trouble finding him in the intervening two census returns.
In the 1871 census I did find for Totterton Hall, Lydbury North, Shropshire a George Henry Price:
Class: RG10 Piece: 2733 Folio: 26 Page: 4
This George Henry Price is stated as being a 24 year old footman, born in Herefordshire. I do wonder if this could be my great-granddad?
This was the census report:
Emily Augusta Parry 30 Wife born Balham, Surrey
Mary MacDonald Parry 9 daughter born Bath, Somerset
Emily MacDonald Parry 7 daughter born Bath, Somerset
Thomas MacDonald Parry 5 son born Hereford, Herefordshire
Lidnes Carew McDonald Parry 4 son born Hereford, Herefordshire
Grace MacDonald Parry 3 daughter born Lydbury North, Shropshire
Lucy Hannah 38 Governess born Bath, Somerset
Mary Ann Solomon 35 Cook born Cardiganshire
Emily Annie Jarvis 26 Head Nurse born Wiltshire
Sarah Jones 20 Under Nurse born Bala, Merionithshire
Catharine Thomas 23 House Maid born Bala, Merionithshire
George Henry Price 24 Foot Man born Hereford, Herefordshire
So I thought I would do some detective work. I thought if I could trace either of the two Parry sons on census I could find out where in Herefordshire the Parry family lived and if my great-granddad could be connected to the area.
Looking in the 1881 census I found Lidnes Carew McDonald Parry as Sidney Carew McDonald Parry, wrongly listed as Sidney Carew Noradward Parry.
In the census Class: RG11 Piece: 2650 Folio: 77 Page: 15 for Parsonage House, Shropshire, Sidney is a boarder and scholar who lists his place of birth as Kinnersley, Hereford.
Continuing with the 1881 census I found Thomas MacDonald Parry as Thomas M Parry a boarder/scholar at Llantrissant House, Clifton, Gloucestershire. The census is Class: RG11 Piece: 2483 Folio: 15 Page: 26 and Thomas is wrongly listed as being born at Kinnersley Cote as on the census return itself it records as his being born at Kinnersley Castle!
With James being the gardener of Kinnersley Castle I believe this would mean that this George Henry Price is indeed my great-granddad.
Out of interest I though I would track the Parry family further back so I looked for them in the 1861 census and found them at Walcot St. Saviour, Somerset Class: RG9 Piece: 1692 Folio: 62 Page: 8
Thomas M Parry 21 Head Landholder born Argylshire, Scotland
Emily Parry 20 Wife born St Mary's Cay, Kent
John MacDonald 40 Uncle Landholder born Argyleshire, Scotland
Hannah Webb 39
James Pike 15
William Janlas 20
This all helps build a picture but it still doesn't help me get any nearer to discovering the birth place of George Henry Price. It does prove though that I've definitely been bitten by this genealogy bug! 
Best wishes,
Bosuns Call
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Price - Herefordshire
Hyett - Herefordshire/Gloucestershire
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Ladle/Ladell - Norfolk
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Puffcat
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Did this family rent Kinnersley Castle I wonder, and also the place in Shropshire? The parents seem to have dropped off the radar by 1881 unless I am being obtuse. But well done, that was fascinating bit of detective work.
Parry senior certainly collected staff from all over the place, and how far is Argyll to Kent for a wife 
Still think Kinnersley Castle could hold the answer if they still have any records or the records are in the Recods Office.
Even big houses were rented out at this time and had a big turnover of occupiers.
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