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Topic: COMPLETED - Thanks -GURNEY Family - Rickmansworth/St Albans? (Read 909 times)
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Maddie
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Hi again
It does seem odd that James should be in the Beer trade then suddenly become a Miller. 
Glad I could help with his burial & age, looks more likely that his parents were James & Elizabeth then. Hope it helps a bit any way. 
I'm Rickmansworth (Croxley ) born & bred although don't live there now so I have gathered quite a bit of local info & most of my family were connected to the Paper Mills through work. 
I haven't a clue why someones death should be shown as at the Town Hall, unless they happened to die at a function.  They did hold balls, dances, concerts & such, along with the monthly meetings of the "Penny Reading Society".  How intriguing. 
Maddie
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CFP39
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Hi Maddie
Yes that's the one - lived in Church St, Rickmansworth.
No, didn't find her in 1901 - yes, Rickmansworth Town Hall!
Yes, having two Jameses that close together has been a pain. 
My great grandfather, James Payne (Pain) married Ann Elizabeth Paddick at Chorleywood on 22/10/1870. That's the 1st time I came across a different spelling. This certificate proves that his father was Joseph.
Strange things about the family weddings - although they were from Rickmansworth or Watford only one, on direct line, found there.
Have Joseph & Nancy at Hillingdon, Middlesex -
Peter Paddick to Dinah Green at Harefield -
Joseph Payne to Maria Nichols at St Albans -
David Paddick to Elizabeth Hemming at Winchcomb, Gloucestershire -
James Green to Lucy Nicholls at St Mary's Watford.
Have yet to find James Gurney to Hannah Coleman (but not on HALS list).
As for the children, I think that only the youngest, Jessie, would still have been with her sister by 1901. Think Edwin Francis is the one who shows as being 'Page Boy Domestic', and Florence Ann also probably in service.
When Ann died it was her son in law, Edward White, who registered her death. His address is given as no.4 Northampton Terrace, while the Payne family was still at no.1
Only one that I don't know what happened to was the eldest, William, my father didn't mention him at all. 
But then he told me his father was born in Berkshire!
Suppose that he had an excuse as he wasn't home much after joining the army as a boy, so missed out on family talk.
I had to ask questions to find out what he did know. Trouble was I didn't know all the questions I might need answers for.
Well it's turned me into a detective, getting quite good at making 'educated guesses'.
Thanks for your interest
Lee
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CFP39
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Hi Maddie
Yes, that is the Ellen Beasley (didn't realise I hadn't given her married name).
Hadn't got her in 1901, but in 1881 she was Under Housemaid DS at 27 Devonshire Terrace, London Middlesex, with a Johnstone family.
Can't think why I didn't find her marriage! Thanks for that.
I suppose James could have been visiting his sister to get a rest, no way of knowing.
Do you know if there are any photos available of Church Street in the 19th C?
Wonder if there's one showing J Payne - Green Grocers.
Our local town has several little books of postcard photos which are very popular!
Regards
Lee
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Maddie
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Hi Lee
I have the Centenary Edition of the Watford Observer !863 - 1963 & thought you might be interested in this little snippet I have just found on Batchworth Paper Mill.
In the early days of the Observer (1863) the wheels turned 24 hours a day, non stop. Men working in sets (3 in each set) worked 12 hours duration, lads were also employed but worked days only, sometimes not finishing until 8 p.m. These boys fed the "sifters" which cleaned the "half stuff".
Female labour was only employed from 8 a.m. until 5 p.m, nearly all workers being on piece-work. Pay day was Saturday & "sorters" (rag) earned six shillings a week, "dusters" earned nine shillings a week. Breakfast was half an hour, dinner an hour at midday & half an hour for tea.
Hope this gives you an idea of your Gurney's life style.
Regards
Maddie
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