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Topic: Jessie Sturdy the mystery girl (Read 778 times)
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Terryjc
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This quest started in North Yorkshire with the birth of Henry Sturdy in Asenby but now moves north with he and his family living in Stockton-on-Tees.
Henry appears in the 1881 census in Norton, Durham after his marriage in 1878 to Catherine Thompson Downing ( born Middlesborough) with one child Edward born in Stockton and then aged 1yr.
Again in 1891 the same family appears in Stockton-on-Tees with, amongst other children, an elder daughter named Jessie D Sturdy then aged 15. At first I thought that Jessie had probably been with relatives for the previous census, but there was no sign of her anywhere in 1881.
A search of FreeBDM failed to produce a birth. My thought then was that as she was born before Henry’s marriage she might be Catherine’s daughter and sure enough a search under Jessie Downing produced a result -
Jessie Downing Birth 1876 DecQ Stockton district, Folio 10a, Page 67.
My present problem with this mystery girl is that I cannot find her anywhere in 1881, under Downing or Sturdy, and I cannot find her after 1891. Neither can I find a marriage or a death.
So to the question – where did Jessie come from, and where did she go?
Terry
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jimmijam
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Terryjc,
I've had this problem a couple of times, especially with the name Jessie. I've had the same person recorded in OPR's, IGI and census's as Jessie, Jean, Jeanie, Janet. If her birth date hadn't been consistent, and she hadn't been with the same family, I'd have had serious doubts. Have you tried for any variations?
Best wishes, Jimmijam
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lizdb
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Do you know her mum's parents?
I have been trying to find 12 yr old Catherine in 1871 to find her family, but no success.
Maybe her story is similar, with the Thompson middle name.
My plan was then to find them in 1881 - and see if Jess is with them (under some obscure name that hasnt come up on searches)
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lizdb
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Grrrrr
This STUPID new set up on Anc doesnt seem to let you put in a ref number on the census search!
Not coming up under Downing.
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lizdb
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Thanks - seen it now! But that isnt the idea - to find it when someone has told you!!!
This is th eonly marriage I can see as a 'possible' for Edward/Eliza. I was hoping to see a bride as Eliza Thompson
Ap/MAy/Jun 1858
Stockton
10a 149
Edward Downing - one of brides Elizabeth Ross
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lizdb
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Lets try paternal grandparents.
1871 Henry is a servant
1861
RG9 3200 53 7
Asonby
James Sturdy 55 Ag lab bn Sth Otterington
Jane 53 wife bn Suttonmaunder?? ? ?
Elizabeth dtr unm 29 bn Asonby
Henry 8 grandson bn A
Tom 1 grandson bn A
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lizdb
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1871
Rg10 4836 52 6
Thornton le moor
James 67 Ag lab bn Otterington
Jane 68 bn Sutton
Elizabeth dtr unm 28 bn Asenby
Thomas 11 grandson bn Asenby
(wonder what Eliz's secret is - hasnt aged at all!!)
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lizdb
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Getting to the point now - 1881
James and Jane still going strong
RG11 4900 112 5
Brunswick Passage, Stockton
JAmes 74 labourer bn Otterington
Jane 75 bn Sutton
Interestingly, a Thompson family next door.
No Jessie around though.
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Michael Dixon
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I wish I could make a good contibution to the search for Jessie Downing/Sturdy on 1881 census.. but can only ask more questions....
The birth of Jessie's mother, Catherine Thompson Sturdy, nee Downing was registered Sept Qtr 1858 with Stockton Reg District ( On censuses Catherine is recorded as Middlesbrough... Middlesbrough lay within Stockton Reg territory until 1875) . I can see Catherine on censuses aged 13 ( 1871) 22
(1891) 32 (1891) and 42 (1901) and 52(1911).
Where was she on 1861... as a 3 yr old .. with parents Edward and Fife-born Elizabeth Ross. ( Scottish influence in the names of some of her children.. i.e. Jessie and Wallace! )
There was a birth registration @ Middlesbrough Reg District in Sept Qtr 1918 for a Jessie Downing ( with mother's maiden name of Thompson) ??
What happened to Jessie Downing/Sturdy after her appearance on 1891 ?
(lizdb- I can still insert piece/folio/page numbers in the Ancestry census search page ! )
Michael
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Terryjc
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Hi All
You have been very active while I slept and I thank you for your interest and assistance. I don’t know how I can contribute any further information that might help.
I have followed the Sturdy family back from New Zealand, through South Africa and into Durham and Yorkshire through Henry and his unmarried mother Elizabeth to her parents James Sturdy and Jane Parne(a)by. Having got the direct line I have only now started to fill out Henry’s family and immediately Jessie proved to be a problem.
Like you,I was hoping to see a bride as Eliza Thompson I was hoping for a Thompson involvement in Catherine’s parentage so my initial pick was the 1858 SepQ marriage of Downing John (Stockton, Folio10a, Page 115) and probably Thompson Eliza.
It would have been a close run thing with Catherine’s birth 1858 SepQ (Stockton Folio 10a, Page 32). However the only likely John and Eliza I could find in 1881 was the one below and again, no Jessie.
Ref RG11 Piece / Folio 4853 / 84 Page 3, 103 Newport Road, Middlesbrough, York, England
John DOWNING , Head, M, Male, 45, Stella, Northumberland, England, Bookseller & Stationer
Eliza DOWNING, Wife, M, Female, 45, Middlesbrough, York, England
John A.J. DOWNING, Son, U, Male, 19 , Middlesbrough, York, England
Ann E. MARKWELL, Servant, U, Female, 16, Et Hartlepool, Durham, England, General Servant
I don’t want to divert the quest from Jessie but (wonder what Eliz's secret is - hasnt aged at all!!) sugests that I might take a possible death of an Elizabeth Sturdy in 1890 DecQ, a49, Stockton 10a 28 as one worth checking out if she maintained the 10yr age loss throughout her life.
Any other thoughts on Jessie would be most welcome, particularly prior to 1891. After 1891 she may have emigrated – not a possibility that I really want, but one that must be considered. Maybe to South Africa and perhaps that is what drew her step sister Elsie to migrate there in 1913.
Regards, Terry
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