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HeatherL
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1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« on: Thursday 28 May 09 09:08 BST (UK) »
Could someone please look up Thomas Snaddon for me in the 1861 and 1871 census. He should be about 58 in the 61 census. Wife is Ann, children are: janet, agnes, charles, james, helen and may (janet, agnes, charles, james and helen may have moved out). Address probably coalsnaughton village. Am wondering who else may be living in their household (am trying to track down Thomas' parents James and Isabella, am hoping they may have moved in at some point).

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MonicaLesl
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 May 09 17:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Heather

The transcript looks to have messed up on ages, you would have to look at the original:

1861

Thomas, 68, coal miner
Ann, 14, wife,
Robert, 17, son

Address: New Row, Tillicoultry

Still looking for 1871...

Monica

Added: Again, not confident of the transcript for 1871:

Thomas, 68, coal miner
Jane, 66
Robert, 26, coal miner

Address: 2 New Row, Tillicoultry

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Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
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rye470
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 May 09 00:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Heather,

Had a look at SP for your Thomas Snaddan and Monica has the only couple that fit.

Thomas is shown as 68 on both census, but the age is not clear on the 1861. Robert's ages tally with Ancestry.

Apart from Thomas and Ann, only Robert is still at home as Monica said.

What makes you think that Thomas' parents are still around at this time?  If Thomas is even 58 in 1861, then his parents will be in their mid to late 70's. 

Do you have them on the 1851?


Christine.
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rye470
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 May 09 00:53 BST (UK) »
Heather,

Have had a look for James and Isabella on the 1861, but i'm afraid no luck.  The oldest James and Isabella listed would have been ages with Thomas.  Too young to be parents. 



Christine.
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HeatherL
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 May 09 06:03 BST (UK) »
Damn, they made a mess of the records on the 68!!! If Jane's living with him in the 71 maybe he got re-married... mental note - must look into that.
Thanks Monica!! Smiley

Added: Must be something seriously funny with those records. I just looked up Ann's death cert. She didn't die until about 10 years after Thomas...


Christine, I have no idea how long his parents stuck around for. In all honesty, I'm clutching at straws where his parents are concerned (I have a post up on the clackmannan board, "more SNADDON's"). Basically, I can't find any info on them at all. I have names from Thomas' death cert, but beyond that, nothing. I was hoping that if they were living with Thomas, then at least I'd have a rough time-frame for their deaths.
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MonicaLesl
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #5 on: Friday 29 May 09 09:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Heather

I would have a big question mark on 'Jane' in 1871 until you look at the original....likely to to be Anne!

Re Thomas' parents, is this them in 1841?:

James Snedden 70, coal miner
Isabella Dow 65

Address: Coalsnaughton Village, Tillicoultry

Would fit potentially for Thomas' father, specially given the location.

Monica
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Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
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MonicaLesl
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #6 on: Friday 29 May 09 10:11 BST (UK) »
Potential entry for mother in 1851, likely husband has died:

Ann Snadden 45, head, b. Laserend, Midlothian
Ann Snadden 19, b. tillicoultry
Betsey Snadden 17, b. Clashmore
Bell Snadden 80, mother in law, Maret Of Parish Relaf (likely to be in receipt of Parish Relief!!) b. Clashmore, Clackmnsh

Address:Ville Of Coalsnaughton New Row, Tillicoultry

Monica 
   
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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MonicaLesl
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #7 on: Friday 29 May 09 10:41 BST (UK) »
From general google searches, there is one thread on Ancestry which is only a couple of years old for Snaddons in Tillicoultry that might be worthwhile you checking with the posters to see if there is any connection. One lady is particular also has Cook in her line, although not clear where in the line!

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.britisles.scotland.clk.general/210.1.2.1/mb.ashx

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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HeatherL
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 30 May 09 02:35 BST (UK) »
Damn you've been busy Monica!!! Thanks Smiley

  Will have to contact a couple of the people on the message board, possible that the William mentioned in post could be James' brother or something (that name has popped up a couple of times).

I found the '41 reference to James and Isabella last week, but DOW is not a name that has popped up at all so far, and if they were married she would be in the census as SNADDON.
  Also, I have a death cert for Thomas that puts his death in 1878 and a birth cert for Ann (born Agnus) with the location as Tillicoultry. IF i have the correct James and Isabella, then Thomas would have a couple of older brothers. Possibly one of them also married someone known as Ann. I'll run a search for death certs between 41 and 51.
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MonicaLesl
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 30 May 09 09:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Heather

Have you managed to see Thomas' death cert to see what it says about his parents' names? Hopefully the informant of his death was able to report with full and correct parents' names!

Just a point on women's maiden names. It was common practice in Scotland in that period for married women to use their maiden names (they didn't lose the use of their maiden names upon marriage). This is particularly notable in the 1841 census in Scotland where you will find married women in the household recorded under their maiden name (can often help to confirm you have the right family!). 

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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MonicaLesl
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 30 May 09 09:41 BST (UK) »
I think this might be the family from 1851 headed up by Ann in the 1841 census:

William Snadden 40, coal miner
Ann Black 40, b. Scotland
Helen Snadden 20, b. Scotland
Isabella Snadden 15
Janet Snadden 15
May Snadden 14
James Snadden 12
Ann Snadden10
Elizabeth Snadden 7

Address: Coalsnaughton Village, Tillicoultry

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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HeatherL
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 31 May 09 08:59 BST (UK) »
Hey Monica,
   That matches up with what I THINK that I have. If I'm looking at the right James and Isabella then Thomas has an older brother called Willliam.  Alot of the kids names between the two familys match so if they were sticking with traditional naming then that's promising.
   Thomas' death cert lists parents as James SNADDON and Isabella HUNTER. The only marriage that I can find around the right time period with the right first names is between James and Isabel SNADON. I've found a birth cert for an Isabella HUNTER, but I can't seem to find anything attaching her and James together. I'm wondering if maybe they had hand-fasted or something so she was already going by his name when they married... not really sure on that point. The witness listed on Thomas' death cert is his son.
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 31 May 09 14:59 BST (UK) »
Dawson v. Hunter....I can see SNADDON children showing on IGI for mothers with either of these names  Undecided Remember in Scotland Elizabeth/Isabel/Isabella are all interchangeable:

James Snaddon and Elizabeth Hunter - twins show:

1. WILLIAM SNADDAN   Birth: 03 JUN 1780/ Christening: 04 JUN 1780 Alloa
3. JAMES SNADDAN Birth: 03 JUN 1780/ Christening: 04 JUN 1780 Alloa

James Snaddon and Elizabeth Dawson:

1. MARGARET SNADAN  Birth: 18 JUL 1785/ Christening: 22 JUL 1785 Alloa
3. ANDREW SNADAN Birth: 13 NOV 1792/ Christening: 19 NOV 1792 Alloa
5. JOHN SNADAN Birth: 20 JAN 1797/ Christening: 22 JAN 1797 Alloa

This couple's marriage shows 02 OCT 1784 in Alloa.

There may well be more showing on SP, I've only used IGI batch codes. I would also imagine that Dow and Dawson are variant spellings.

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #13 on: Monday 01 June 09 05:37 BST (UK) »
Isabel and Isabella I'd pegged as variant spellings, but Elizabeth??? How did they manage to get that one???!! Smiley
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Re: 1861 + 1871 census lookup please
« Reply #14 on: Monday 01 June 09 05:49 BST (UK) »
Searching on IGI for the births of all Thomas Snaddons' (variable spelling) with a father called James. The only Isabel or Elizabeth that turns up is the Isabel SNADON that I can't confirm as parent of MY Thomas...

In SP, searching for births of all Thomas Snaddon's (variable spelling) with a father James between 1780 and 1820 turns up 4 possibilities for Mum:

Janet Kinghorn (East Lothian)
Alison Deans (East Lothian)
Bell Snadon (Alloa, Clackmannan)
Janet Currie (Stirling)

... it keeps coming back to Bell Snadon...
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