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Ogara
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which Sligo Parish?
« on: Thursday 28 May 09 19:44 UTC (UK) »

Hi there, I am new to irish geneology

So, I have thomas O gara born 1842 sligo, father patrick Ogara . How do you find which parish they were from?? I would so appreciate some guidance!! thanks sue
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 15:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi,
Good stock, I have Sligo O'Garas in my tree too.
Have you had a look at some of the online Griffiths Valuation. I think Sligo was done in 1858 so your Patrick may turn up on it as head of household.
I had a look myself on this site and it seems to slim down the possible locations to 3.

One is a reverend so if the family is catholic you can (hopefully) rule him out.
There's two entries for BALLYFAHY in KILTURRA so that might be the one person.
There one other in CARROWCRORY in TOOMOUR.

Here's a free site
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_form.php

What gave you the date and fathers name, was it a cert or census or something?
Just wondering is there any other clues you could be giving out.
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 17:15 UTC (UK) »

Hi, thanks for the reply!!
I did have a quick look on griffiths but not sure what I was looking for at the time, but I will look again!!.
Thomas O gara was married in Manchester so I have his marriage certificate and Patrick was his dad but obviously no dates of indeed his mum. I might have found some siblings of thomas, Margaret and James both slightly younger than him. They ofcourse wont be on the griffiths site will they? I would like to know what patricks wife was called but not sure how to find that. I have ordered his death certificate so that will be interesting.
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 18:23 UTC (UK) »

Hi and welcome to Rootschat  Cheesy

Did your Thomas marry Martha Burke? I was looking earlier when I read your post and wondered if it was him. I saw him in 1871 I think.

When did Thomas die? The death certificate won't give you much information- cause of death and informant really.

Where did you see Margaret and James? I was wondering if any lived to 1911 census - wondering if they had given any other information.

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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 18:29 UTC (UK) »

The only thing I can think of but you might have it already, is if you got the parish record of thomas' marriage in Manchester it might turn up his mothers maiden name. It doesn't always do that but sometimes you can get lucky with an address to boot.
But not all parish records  are full of detail and I'm only familiar with Irish catholic ones.

If his siblings stayed in sligo maybe their deaths might be on the register.
Here's a link to the mormon site
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home
And if you can bare the wait, the national archive will have the sligo census up over the next couple of months.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

There's another one with just the data of the 1901 census
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/census.shtml

You never know, something might start tying in with something else.
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 18:31 UTC (UK) »

Griffiths Valuation was a survey looking at the land. It shows who was leasing the land and the owner but not families etc.
It doesn't list everyone of course and it would depend on Patrick being alive and working the land.
It is worh following up though.
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 18:36 UTC (UK) »

Hi Heywood, yes my thomas did marry martha burke, how did u know that, youre magic!!

Margaret ogara married in manchester too to william anderson.  James O gara came to stay with them on one of the censors but then I lose James. Ogara spelt in all sorts of ways ofcourse. It was only the Marriage certificate that drew me to the spelling of ogara.
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 18:37 UTC (UK) »

Thomas died aged 37, in 1879 leaving martha with 4 children running a pub called the peels arms in ancoats
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 19:10 UTC (UK) »

Hi Heywood, yes my thomas did marry martha burke, how did u know that, youre magic!!

Margaret ogara married in manchester too to william anderson.  James O gara came to stay with them on one of the censors but then I lose James. Ogara spelt in all sorts of ways ofcourse. It was only the Marriage certificate that drew me to the spelling of ogara.


On 1871 census they have Martha's mother with them - can't remember first name but she was Mrs Burke  Wink
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 19:31 UTC (UK) »

yes thats right, Mary Burke!! On the 1841 censor, she is living with Martha aged 9 months and her mother aged 70 called Martha Reynolds!! Are you tied in with this tree??
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 19:34 UTC (UK) »

Sorry no- I was just looking for Thomas after I saw your post to see if there were any clues to help you with.
Have just found Martha in 1881   Cheesy
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 20:00 UTC (UK) »

Hi again,
have you seen the Andersons in 1881 - they have Ann O Garra 66 yrs (mother) with them so if you don't have mum's name- she is Ann.

There is also an Anne OGara in Ancoats for a few of the censuses with a son William. Can't find her husband. She too is born Sligo in one and Connaught in another census which is the Province for Sligo.
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 20:05 UTC (UK) »

Am fairly sure  they are here in 1851

1851 HO107; Piece: 2226; Folio: 70; Page: 8

34 John Street Manchester (Ancoats)

Ann O'Gara lodger married 36 yrs labourer's wife
Ann daughter 14 yrs Piecer in Mill
James son 12 yrs Hawker
Thomas son 9 yrs Hawker
Margaret daughter 6 yrs

all born Ireland

lodging with a family called Callaghan

I am assuming that you don't have this information ogara  Cheesy

1861 RG9; Piece: 2933; Folio: 44; Page: 31

42 Harrison Street

Ann Garry head widow 44 yrs Washerwoman
Margaret daur 16 yrs Cotton Piecer
Ann daur 22 yrs Cotton Piecer
all born Sligo

Ann's status looks as though it was 'Mar' and then 'Wid' written over it.
Young Ann must be the one I found in other censuses with 'married' as status for respectability I suppose.

I wonder if Patrick was ever with the family in England  Huh

There is a death on free BMD for 1847 and also one for 1861  Huh
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 21:56 UTC (UK) »

Hi again,
have you seen the Andertons in 1881 - they have Ann O Garra 66 yrs (mother) with them so if you don't have mum's name- she is Ann.

There is also an Anne OGara in Ancoats for a few of the censuses with a son William. Can't find her husband. She too is born Sligo in one and Connaught in another census which is the Province for Sligo.

Hi, thats solved a riddle for me, ooh you are good. I have margaret anderson married to william anderson so there we have a spelling error again, thats why I couldnt find them hee hee Cheesy
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Re: which Sligo Parish?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 22:05 UTC (UK) »

Am fairly sure  they are here in 1851

1851 HO107; Piece: 2226; Folio: 70; Page: 8

34 John Street Manchester (Ancoats)

Ann O'Gara lodger married 36 yrs labourer's wife
Ann daughter 14 yrs Piecer in Mill
James son 12 yrs Hawker
Thomas son 9 yrs Hawker
Margaret daughter 6 yrs

all born Ireland

lodging with a family called Callaghan

I am assuming that you don't have this information ogara  Cheesy

1861 RG9; Piece: 2933; Folio: 44; Page: 31

42 Harrison Street

Ann Garry head widow 44 yrs Washerwoman
Margaret daur 16 yrs Cotton Piecer
Ann daur 22 yrs Cotton Piecer
all born Sligo

Ann's status looks as though it was 'Mar' and then 'Wid' written over it.
Young Ann must be the one I found in other censuses with 'married' as status for respectability I suppose.

I wonder if Patrick was ever with the family in England  Huh

There is a death on free BMD for 1847 and also one for 1861  Huh

No I didnt have this info. Patrick was deceased on  Thomas and Marthas wedding certificate, they married in 1868 at St annes Rc chapel junction street manchester, witnesses were francis Burke and Margaret O gara
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