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Burto
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I have a census entry of one of my ancestors brothers, but I'm a bit confused as to whether it is actually the right one.
I have been given the following:
Joseph Clarke Burton married Mary Bell, Sneinton St Matthias 11/07/1875
1891 RG12 2684 35 17/18
Joseph C Burton head 36 general dealer Nottingham, as were others
Mary wife 35
Herbert A son 15
Robert C son 9
Lilian F dau 7
Florence dau 5
Mabel G dau 3
Ann Carter mother wid 64 hosiery mender Ratcliffe
Emily Dominick boarder 21 Nottingham
My Joseph Clarke Burton was the son of Samuel Burton and Joseph Ann Clarke and the marriage above seems to suggest that his wife's maiden name was Bell, so who is Ann Carter?!
Any suggestions would be most welcome! Did she re-marry after Mary was born?
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suzard
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Maybe this census is a help in solving the mystery??
1871
14 Albert Place Burton on Trent Staffs
Thomas carter head m 43 brewers lab Bampton Oxfordshire
Ann wife 44 ratcliffe Notts
Charles Bell son 11 Burton on Trent
Frederick Bell son 9 Burton on Trent
RG10 2904 30 9
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Burto
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Hi Suz,
Thanks for finding that, it seems like the right Ann Carter and she was a mother, but she doesn't seem to be related to anyone in the house she was in in 1891 still  Is it possible that Joseph married 2 Mary's? The first one a Bell, the second a Carter? But then I would expect to see a Mary Cater on that 1871 census entry?
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suzard
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then...
1861
Horninglow burton on trent Staffs
William bell head M 37 sawyer Liverppool
Ann Bell 34 Ratcliffe on Trent Notts
MARY daughter 5 Nottingham
Richard son 3 Nottingham
Charles son 1 nottingham
Sarah Coxon?(or Exon?) Neice U 18 Gressmaker Ratcliffw on trent Nottd
RG9 19567 44 9
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suzard
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it looks to me like mary bell's parents were William and Ann
Where did you get the name Joseph from?
Suz
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I've amended 1871 census -the children were Charles bell and Frederick bell
Suz
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Burto
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Hi Suz,
Joseph is Mary's husband. In 1891 Joseph Clark Burton was living with Mary Burton (nee Bell) and on the entry it says "Ann Carter, mother, Wid, Ratcliff" I want to know who she is as in theory it should be either Ann Bell or Ann Burton. Joseph's mother was Joseph Ann Burton (nee Clarke) so it's clearly not her, so I guess it must be Mary's mother, but why would she call herself Carter and not Bell?
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suzard
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sorry I didn't explain myself too well
I think Ann Carter is actually Joseph's mother in law and Mary's mother
She was married to William Bell
he must have died and she remarried to Thomas Carter
I'll get a few more facts together for you
Back soon
Suz
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suzard
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possible death reg for mary's father
William bell
Sept qtr 1863
Burton
6b 172
Possible remarriage for Mary's mum
Marriage
mar qtr 1868
Burton
on same page
Thomas carter
Annie Bell
6b 389
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suzard
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Marrige FreeBMD
William Bell
Ann Exon
Dec qtr 1854
Radford
7b 320
so neice sarah in 1861 would be sarah Exon (not Coxon!!)
Do you agree?
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I hadn't looked at 1881 census - assumed you had - but that spells it out loud and clear that Ann Carter is the mother of mary!!!
1881
1a Upper Eldon St Sneinton Nottm
Ann Carter head Widow 54 Hose mender Nottingham
J.C.Burton son in law M 26 Gen lab nottingham
Mary Burton daughter married 25 Nottingham
H. A. Burton grandson5 Nottingham
mary M Day Boarder U 24 Jennier Derby
RG11 3347 48 37
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Ann Exon married William Bell in 1854
they had children Mary, Richard, Charles and frederick
William died 1863
Ann remarried to thomas carter 1868
Do you think we have sorted it?
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.... and in 1901 Ann is still with Joseph and Mary
1901
77 waterman St Nottingham
Joseph C Burton head M 46 jeweller
Mary wiife 45
herbert A son married 25 Cycle Tyre repairer
Rupert C son 19 General carter
Lilian J daughter 17 lace machinist
Florrie daughter 15
mable daughter 13
ANN CARTER MOTHER IN LAW Widow 74 Hosiery machinist Radcliffe Notts
geraldine Burton daughter in law M 24
all of the Burtons b Nottingham
RG13 3167 66 24
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Burto
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Hi Suz,
Thank you so much for that! Yes case closed!
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