|
Pages: [1]
|
 |
|
Author
|
Topic: Harry Evans of Bitton (Read 689 times)
|
king william
RootsChat Veteran
Posts: 502
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
I think this could be a bit far back but I wonder if anyone has any knowledge of a Harry Evans of Bitton who was a clerk named in the will of Lewis Evans, vicar of Bitton who died in 1619. I would presume that Harry was also a relative and I would presume that he was born in the early 1600's.
I would like to know of any children of Harry's.
Another question while I think of it to do with Lewis Evans the vicar, he was born in 1557 in Bitton and married an Elinor. There was also a Lewis/Lodovicus Evans who was a prebendary of Wells Cathedral and I wonder if he multi-tasked or was posted there at some time - it would be interesting to me to know if it was the same busy man.
Robin
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Bush, Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers, Rodborough, Balle
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman - (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
|
|
|
|
|
king william
RootsChat Veteran
Posts: 502
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Thanks Steph,
There are Evans by the dozen in Bitton at that time and I have been trying to sort out who belonged to who.
From what you have sent me I can see there were Lewys, John, Charles and Henry.
It also shows me that Lewys and Ludovic may have been the same person.
Many thanks - Robin
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Bush, Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers, Rodborough, Balle
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman - (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
|
|
|
|
|
king william
RootsChat Veteran
Posts: 502
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Steph,
I would love to have the children of Lewys as I did see some of them once and I do not know where I found them.
I do know that there was a Price grandchild in someone's will and that would make my day if I could find out where that child fits in to the whole picture as it would clear up a later generation for me with a Price link.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Robin
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Bush, Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers, Rodborough, Balle
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman - (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
|
|
|
|
|
king william
RootsChat Veteran
Posts: 502
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Steph,
Many thanks for all the information - it is very complicated so I won't even go there but I am interested in the Evans family of Bitton because of my ancestor Elizabeth Evans born in 1705 in Bitton, a daughter of Joyce Guning and John Evans, I do think these earlier Evans are probably her ancestors, the name of John Evans seems to go back several generations.
Elizabeth married James Bush in Bristol about 1730.
The mother of James was Susannah ? - her name was believed to be Evans.
In trying to find a clue as the records are not there any more - both Susannah and Elizabeth named their daughters Judith, which makes me believe that Susannah's mother may also have been Judith. There were also future Judith's so the name is of some relevance and at that time I would not think it was too common.
I went searching for a possible Judith Evans and found one at Winchcombe, Glos, she was born in 1638, and her father was Evan Price as in the Welsh patronomic method. He was possibly Evan ap Rice/Rhys as I found him on the IGI as Evan A. Price.
There is no record of a marriage for Judith or a death.
Why I latched on to Judith as a possiblility was that in the Lewys Evans line of Bitton, I know he had a son John who married Meriel Ayres - she was a girl from Winchcombe. John's birth was also recorded in Winchcombe. I am sure it is the same John Evans.
That means in a nutshell - a John Evans from Bitton married a girl from Winchcombe and I know that Lewys Evans had a Price grandchild to which he left a bequest in his will, that also brings in the Price name.
Winchcombe is not that close to Bitton and in those days travel was not so easy so the marriage seems significant.
I also found on the IGI a marriage of a John Price to a Judith Martin in 1599 in Winchcombe and they may have been the parents of Evan Price born in 1606 and then he named his daughter Judith after his mother.
I don't know if this is going anywhere but I feel that Judith Evans is a real contender to be the mother of Susannah - I have looked for her for years now, on and off.
I wonder if Susannah was born illegitimately, I do not have a d.o.b. for her but she married George Bush sometime in the 1690's as the children were born about that time.
Their children were George, William, Judith, James and Christopher.
This is all conjecture but enticingly close to the mark and I thank you for those names and Price information, I will keep it and hope that it links in somewhere one day soon.
If you see something in the wider picture that I cannot see I would love to hear from you.
I am in New Zealand so cannot pop into any record office near me - there isn't one!
Robin
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Bush, Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers, Rodborough, Balle
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman - (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
|
|
|
|
|
king william
RootsChat Veteran
Posts: 502
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Wow Steph,
There are definitely links of Evans and Prices in Winchcombe - I can see that Mary Eayeres was probably a sister of Meriel Eyers and she married a George Pryce in 1618.
The "Aprice's" would probably be "ap Rice" or Rhys as in the Welsh spelling which is interesting because Susannah married George Bush presumably in Bitton and the Bush line goes back to Carmarthenshire in Wales before the 15th century. Maybe her family were linked centuries before with the Bush family in Wales. The name then was Dalwyn or Deulwyn and became Bush upon their arrival in England in the 1400's.
I wonder this because I did find a will of a Judith Evans (daughter of Evan) in Llandeifolog, Carmarthenshire in 1694 and that is a village very near to where my Bush/Rede family came from which was Kidwelly and Carmarthen.
I wonder if maybe Judith never married but had a child which could have been Susannah! The timing is right but it is all conjecture but it does fit with absolutely no proof.
I can see from your list that Judith Evan's mother would either have been Elizabeth Betteridge who married Evan Price in 1631 or Mary Taynton who married Evan Price in 1636 - that was in Gretton wherever that is. Maybe Elizabeth died and he then married Mary as they are both Evan A. Price.
I am going on holiday to Cairns in Australia tomorrow and will be back on May 22nd - I have 2 sons and 3 grandchildren over there - so will not reply to anything else before then
Thank you
Robin
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Bush, Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers, Rodborough, Balle
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman - (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
|
|
|
brentor boy
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 37
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
I am linking in to this thread in the hope that Steph might pick it up as she seems to have detailed knowledge of the Evans of Bitton.
My interest is in John Evans, b c 1813, Bitton/Kingswood. He married Ruth Britton, daughter of Daniel and Hester, around 1834, probably Bitton. The first of their children I can trace was Stephen, born Bitton c 1835.
Shortly after the family moved to S Wales, where John died in 1854/5.
Ruth then married in 1856 for a second time to Aaron Evans, son of John Evans, collier. Records show Aaron's birthplace as Kingswood/Bitton. His year of birth is much less precise, anything from 1813-1821!
I realise it is going to be difficult to the point of impossible to identify John with any degree of certainty, but wonder if the name Aaron may throw up any suggestions? One of John/Ruth's children was called Isaac, a name I cannot relate to Ruth's family - could this provide a clue? Any help would be much appreciated.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Steph
RootsChat Member
Posts: 197
|
Hi
Unfortunately the information I have on cd is for an earlier time period than your enquiry however, I checked the Hugh Wallis batch records at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyGloucester_(A-M).htm#B and found an entry in the records for Kingswood School-NC, Bitton as follows:
John Evans
Birth: 07 OCT 1810
Christening: 05 JUL 1812 Kingswood School-Nc, Bitton, Gloucester, England
Parents: John Evans and Elizabeth
Obviously you need to validate this BUT there is also this entry for an Isaac Evans
Birth: 12 JUN 1812
Christening: 05 JUL 1812 Kingswood School-Nc, Bitton, Gloucester, England
Parents: John Evans and Elizabeth
The presence of Isaac tends to make me think this may be the right family
Kind Regards
Steph
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Stevenson/Piper/Winchester/Wenham/Avery/Muddle/Funnell/Pardon/Virgo - East Sussex
Hutton/Newton/Wilson/Mullender/Little/Wright - Lancs/Cumbria
Brooks/Groves/Martin/Dormer - Oxfordshire
Collins - Bishopsgate/Spitalfields
Taylor/Willis/Wiffin/Lord - Cambs
Barrett/Wiffin - Essex
Draper/Brewer/Lester/Brown/Cole/Eddolls/Crook/Barrett/Styles - Wiltshire
Seares, Massey, Nevill, Nevell, Stannett, Dancer, Hammerton, Wilcox - Bucks
Currier - Berks
Prater/Clargo/Paice/Challis/Baughurst - Hants
|
|
|
brentor boy
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 37
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Hi Steph,
Thanks - those two baptisms do look very promising although it may prove difficult to obtain any corroboration. I think that Aaron could prove the key, but unless I can find some record of him before his marriage to Ruth in 1856, he is something of a mystery. I have this rather irrational suspicion that he may be John's brother! Guess I'll have to keep looking.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1]
|
|
|
|
|
