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lizdb
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I havent got any info, sorry, except to advise that Hornchurch and Brentwood are completely different places!
Where did the info about his birthplace come from?
Is this the family in Woodford in 1841?
George 60 Ind Y
Mary 53 Y
Charles 19 MS Y (Male servant)
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lizdb
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oK that makes more sense!
1851
HO107 1769 427 20
Woodford
George 70 Annunitant bn Hornchurch
Mary Ann 63 bn Romford
Charles 28 son omnibus conductor bn Hornchurch
Mary Ann 27 sons wife bn Loughton
Charles 3 grandson bn Northumberland.
So Essex born Charles and his Essex born wife must have nipped all the way up to Northumberland at somwe stage!
Have you got a marriage for George and MAry?
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lizdb
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So how did you find Mary's maiden name?
Is that in the Family Bible? If so any reference to date and place for marriage there?
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lizdb
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The 1851 census for the 25 yr old Walter Newton, bn Hornchurch shows him as a Seaman, as you say. The address he (and many other seamen) are at is "Sailors Home, E.I Rd Poplar. Presumably East India Road.
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lizdb
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I wonder if this is Walter and big brother George in 1841?
High Street Whitechapel
George 25 N
Ann 20 Y
Walter 15 N
was George a coffee house keeper in later censuses?
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giuliana
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I wonder if this is Walter and big brother George in 1841?
High Street Whitechapel
George 25 N
Ann 20 Y
Walter 15 N
was George a coffee house keeper in later censuses?
According to other researches of Walter's ancestry George had kept a coffee house. I haven't confirmed any of this, though have found him in 1881 as a retired coffee house keeper.
The dates would be consistent for the Walter I'm looking for. Perhaps when he ran away from his parents' home he went to his older brother's when he wasn't at sea. (Makes sense.)
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Phillips; Mitchell; Retallick; Moore; Sheridan; Sheppard; Louden; McNicol; Leitch; Newton; Newell; McClure; Sheridan; Loffel; Chaplin
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lizdb
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In 1861 George is a coffee house keeper - still High Street Whitechapel, all children bn Whitechapel, so he remains very constant.
RG 9 270 85 6
George 49 coffee house keeper bn Hornchurch
Ann 43 bn Southwark
Mary Ann 17
William 16
Elizabeth 15
Louise 13
Emily 12
Frances 10
Thomas 8
Ann 6
John 4
Henry Robert 3
Ellen 8 mths
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lizdb
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As I happened to have 1861 open, here is ALfred -
RG9 34 128 36
'Royal Oak' Keppel St, Chelsea
Alfred 43 Licensed victualler bn Hornchurch
Mary Ann 37 bn Berks
Alfred 10
George 7
Walter 5
Amelia 3
Elizabeth 1 all children bn 'London Middx'
+ various barmen, servants etc
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lizdb
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Here is Alfred in 1851 - he was also a coffee house keeper!
HO107 1531 145 14
64 Grt Tower Str. Barking
Alfred 33 Coffee house keeper bn Hornchurch
Mary Ann bn Berks Windsor
Caroline Godfrey sister 22 unm bn Berks Windsor
Alfred Newton son 9mths bn London
+servants.
Looking at the places of birth I suspect Caroline Godfrey is Mary Ann's sister rather than Alfred.
Icant find Alfred's marriage to Mary Ann, I was hoping to.
Getting his marriage cert would be interresting to say what he said about his dads occuption - seeing as the censuses so far for dad have indicated he has independent funds, but not from where!
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lizdb
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To fill in a gap for George
1851
HO107 1545 316 6
still 126 High Street Whitechapel
George 39 Coffee house keeper bn Hornchurch
Ann 33 bn Southwark
Mary Ann 7
William 6
Eliza 3
Louisa 3
Emily 2
Frances 4 mths all children bn Whitechapel
+ barmen, servants etc
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lizdb
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I wonder if this is George senior's death?
Jan/Feb/Mar 1855
West Ham ref 4a 21
George Newton
Unfortunately it is before ages are in the index.
If so (and you would need the cert to see) then it would be an idea to look for a will for him. If he was living off some sort of income or property then he is liokely to have left one, and also likely that he will mention his sons in it.
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