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Thomas HEDLAND
« on: Saturday 13 June 09 10:01 UTC (UK) »

I have a birth for a Thomas Hedland as 1687 and a death as 10th May 1752.
The problem is this gentleman married dorothy Johnson on 30th September 1752 .......something doesnt add up. All events took place in Souldrop Bedford UK.

Their first child William was born in 1719 and the last in 1729.
Can someone tell me please the correct date of the marriage as I am sure that this is the one that is wrong.

The information I found was on The Ancestral file on the LDS site.
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Re: Thomas Hedland
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 June 09 10:08 UTC (UK) »

The information I found was on The Ancestral file on the LDS site.
Details on Ancestral file are submitted and are not really reliable. Although the details there can be correct they do need to be verified just like any other bit of information you find.
In this particular case you'd probably need to check church records for the marriage and death details to verify the actual dates.
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Re: Thomas Hedland
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 June 09 10:08 UTC (UK) »


Hi

I can see a marriage on the IGI for the year of 1717... this is an extracted marriage so should be pretty accurate.

Cheers
Karenlee
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Re: Thomas Hedland
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 June 09 16:44 UTC (UK) »

The Thomas Hedland who married Dorothy Johnson on Sept 30 1717 at Souldrop I have born around 1687 ? although I have found no baptism for him at Souldrop dispite the four incorrect member submitted entries for 4th June 1687 on the IGI.  Similarly the 1752 marriage is ficticious. Member submissions should be treated with a pinch of salt until they can be verified by actual parish record entries.

However there is a burial of Thomas Hedland, labourer at Souldrop on 10 May 1752; plus burial of Dorothy Hedland, widow on 28 April 1764

Thomas & Dorothy Headland baptised daughter Elizabeth at Souldrop on 6 Nov 1726 who went on to marry my gt-gt-gt-gt-grandfather Mark Partridge at Sharnbrook in 1746.

Regards John
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Re: Thomas Hedland
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 June 09 22:40 UTC (UK) »

Thank you so very much for your help and replies Karen and Jon.
It is very much appreciated
At least I now have some accurate dates to work with.
I have been doing my own research and one of my cousins asked if I could help her do her fathers side which is not any connection to mine.
I have the same problem that many new researchers have when they come across the name of SMITH.
Her fathers parents were both surname SMITH and when I went back two generations the cousins married.
When I go back five generations from my uncle the name of the couple is a John SMITH who married a Dorothy Hedland.
Dorothy was born in 1776 daughter of William Hedland and Elizabeth Evans who married in 1772.  William's father was Thomas Hedland who married Dorothy Johnson.

Jon this therefore makes my uncles 4 x great grandparent William the brother of your 4 x great grandmother Elizabeth who married Mark Partridge.

My cousin doesnt have a computer as she has trouble with her vision but I will pass on what ever information I find out and will help her put together her family tree.  Her father will be 97 this week so I plan on putting some information together for that event. He still has all his faculties and memory so perhaps he can enjoy what I have found so far.

He told his daughter that he didnt think it would be possible to find out too much as with a common name like Smith and the fact they were cousins one could easily go off on the wrong tract.

We both live in Australia so finding this site has been a real help.
Regards Cheryl
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Re: Thomas Hedland
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 05:37 UTC (UK) »

Hello Cheryl,  Sorry - but I think you have some wrong info.

William Headland baptised 12/12/1719 Souldrop, son of Thomas Headland, was buried there on 30/12/1720, son of Thomas & Dorothy Headland. I have not found a baptism of a subsequent William to this pair.

William Headland who married Elizabeth Evans at Souldrop on 06/01/1772 was a widower.  Another Elizabeth Headland wife of William HADLAND was buried at Souldrop on 20/08/1771 - and previously I have William Headland marrying Elizabeth Allen (both of Souldrop) at Odell on 29/03/1752. They had son Simon 2/10/1768 & Thomas 07/03/1773 amongst others. William's burial record on 16/10/1812 states 'father of Simon & Thomas' , But I cannot find that they had daughter Dorothy. 

Although there is a marriage in Knotting of Dorothy Hedland to John Smith on 07/11/1796 - done there "in consequence to the ruinous state of Souldrop church" there is no baptism for her in Souldrop or Knotting in 1776 despite the member submitted entries on the IGI. 

Regards John
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Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
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Re: Thomas Hedland
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 08:59 UTC (UK) »

thankyou again Jon.

The information I have is as follows
William Hedland b 1719 died 16th October 1812 married Elizabeth Evans 6th January 1772
they had a son Thomas b 1773 and a daughter b 1776 Dorothy
William's parents were Thomas Hedland b 1687 married to Dorothy Johnson now in 1717 not 1752 which is when he died.
According to the Ancestral file the children were William b 1719,Thomas b 1724 d 1726, Mary b 1721 d 1743, elizabeth b 1726, Sarah b 1733 d 1733, Martha b 1730 and Thomas b 1729.
It appears that all the children were christened in Souldrop.
It does make it hard to verify all information when a person lives so far from the parish records and If I was to buy all the certificates I need it would prove very costly.
I know the general rule is only to believe half of what you read until you have at least three different sources to get the answers & verification that you need.
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Re: Thomas Hedland
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 09:22 UTC (UK) »

There are numerous LDS Family HIstory Centres in Australia (list on www.familysearch.org ), through which you can order and view microfilms of parish records, including all of the Beds parishes that have been mentioned in this thread. Whilst the IGI for Beds is reliable, largely being extracted from the transcripts made by Bedford Records Office, now BLARS, from the parish register and the bishop's transcript, it doesn't contain the extra detail that makes all the difference eg William son of Thomas and Dorothy buried 30 Dec 1720, or William, widower on the marriage to Elizabeth Evans

If the William baptised in 1719 was buried the following year, thus ruling him out as the husband of Elizabeth Allen and Elizabeth Evans, how about William Headland baptised at Sharnbrook, the next village along, on 25 Sept 1726? There are no marriages in Sharnbrook, and no burials, but proving it is another matter. John, does it actually state otp for the 1752 marriage? It wasn't until 1754 that parishes of residence were added, although sometimes you can get lucky before that date - as you know, I never have!

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Re: Thomas Hedland
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 10:50 UTC (UK) »

John, does it actually state otp for the 1752 marriage? It wasn't until 1754 that parishes of residence were added, although sometimes you can get lucky before that date - as you know, I never have!

David,   the 1752 marriage at Odell of William HADLEN & Elizabeth Allen does state both of Souldrop. Interestingly other marriages there between 1715 - 1754 state the parish of the participants. Perhaps some parishes recorded more details than others.

I will check the 1726 Sharnbrook baptism of William Headland to see if it gives more info.

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Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
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Re: Thomas Hedland
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 16 June 09 15:08 UTC (UK) »

This has been discussed before.. see...

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,294221.0.html

and...

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,221022.0.html
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Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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