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Caroline FARR
« on: Monday 01 June 09 20:05 UTC (UK) »
Looking for any information on Caroline Farr's birth in Aspley Guise around 1840.  I can find no information on her parents and even whether Farr is an assumed  / married name.  This is the end of the line for me on this branch so it is a mite frustrating!

Thanks
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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 June 09 20:41 UTC (UK) »
It may be the "end of the line" but what clues led you there?

We don't want to be on wild goose chase, so what souces give this name/age/birthplace?

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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 June 09 20:49 UTC (UK) »
Hi
Welcome to Rootschat Cheesy

I can see a Caroline Farr born Aspley Guise c1843 in 1861 she is unmarried and living in Fenny Stratford Bucks with Grandfather Matthew Battoms a widower - is this your lady?

As Pauline said how did you find your way back to her?

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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 June 09 20:53 UTC (UK) »
I have numerous Census records for Caroline showing her approximate birth year and place of birth.  She later married Richard Battams (at least she took the name) so I am unsure of the grandfather reference!  My great grandfather is Caroline's son, he is first shown in census data as John Farr, later John Battams and then back to Farr.
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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 June 09 20:56 UTC (UK) »
I had just spotted her in 1871 with Richard when your reply popped up - very puzzling Huh Is she with Matthew as granddaughter in 1851? And is Richard his son?

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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 June 09 21:00 UTC (UK) »
what was  Caroline's son registered as at birth?
What does that certificate say about parentage?
Is there a parish baptismal record that you could look at?

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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #6 on: Monday 01 June 09 21:06 UTC (UK) »
Looks like she did actually marry Richard

Marriage on FreeBMD 1876 Newport Pagnell district Vol3a Pg329 Caroline Farr with Richard Battams on same page

The certificate may (or may not if she was illegitimate) help with father

Jan
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #7 on: Monday 01 June 09 21:09 UTC (UK) »
What is even more confusing is Elizabeth Farr who shows up in the 1871 census aged 57 as the daughter to head of household Caroline aged 27!  I would like to think this leads to the thought that Caroline is really Elizabeth's daughter but who knows?

I cannot find the 1851 entry for her and no sign of Elizabeth in the same census.  Someone suggested the family were estate workers and as such did not always participate in lawful registrations and census!

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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #8 on: Monday 01 June 09 21:19 UTC (UK) »
I wonder if Elizabeth's age has been corrected from 7 to 5 it looks like 57 to me - but agree it is difficult to tell if the lines through the 7 are crossings out or some other marks.

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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #9 on: Monday 01 June 09 21:39 UTC (UK) »
I think you are correct, the transcriber decided to go with 57 as the easy option!  So it seems that while living with Richard she keeps her name and names her children Farr.  This seems suggestive that Richard is not their father.

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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 10:10 UTC (UK) »
Hi all

I dont want to overcomplicate this but I have family which I have researched in and around Aspley Guise and it can get complicated in that the Beds/Bucks county boundary runs between the two villages of Aspley and Woburn Sands which are to all intents one community - in fact the boundary runs down the high street of Woburn Sands still!

There was a lot of movement between the two villages - for instance there are Farr families showing on the Bucks side (Woburn Sands) in 1841 and 1861 (no Caroline that I can see) and if the possible marriage between Caroline and Battams was registered in Newport Pagnell then that would also be in Bucks not Beds.

So I would suggest - if you havent already - checking 1851 Bucks (Woburn Sands) to see if there is any record on that side of the boundary.

Hope that helps a bit and good luck  Grin

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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 10:39 UTC (UK) »
I have Farrs in Southill, and whilst they're probably not connected with the Woburn Sands family, I had an awful lot of trouble with them as the name can be spelt many ways. Have you tried Furr and Fir for example?

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 11:47 UTC (UK) »
Have you managed to find Richard Battams in 1851? Am wondering about a previous marriage - there is one in 1847 on FreeBMD to either Sarah Horne, Hannah Farr or Mary Warner. A reason for Caroline and Richard delaying marriage perhaps if first wife was still alive?

I notice Richard is with Matthew in 1841 so likely to be his son.

Given Caroline is proving difficult, if you've not already done so, I would find out as much as I could about the Battams. I would also get the marriage certificate for Caroline and Richard in case it yields something.

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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 11:57 UTC (UK) »
Also living with Mathew Battams and granddaughter Caroline Farr in 1861 was a grandson Thomas Farr 2 b Wavendon Bucks. There's a Thomas Farr birth in 1859 on Freebmd - looking laterally it might be useful to get his birth cert to see who his parents are named as

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 12:11 UTC (UK) »
The plot thickens!

Also living with Matthew Battams in 1861 were grandchildren Susan and George Battams, 12 and 5, born Wavendon, who were both children of Richard and Hannah, baptised at Wavendon. If Hannah was Hannah Farr then was she connected to Caroline? Mother of Caroline even? Which if she was seems to make Richard Caroline's step father, which I'm sure was on the list of prohibited marriages even though they weren't blood relations!

There's a Hannah Battams death in 1858 in Newport Pagnell on Freebmd.

This lot is beginning to do my head in!

David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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