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janan
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Re: Caroline Farr
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 12:18 UTC (UK) »

Ah good if increasingly confusing find David!

When I found the Richard Battams marriage in 1847 I did wonder if it was Hannah Farr he married. If she is Caroline's mother then Richard would have married his step-daughter - may account for delay in marriage till Matthew died? No looks as if that was in 1879 3 yrs after the marriage

Jan Wink

Where on earth is Caroline in 51


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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 15:37 UTC (UK) »

Thanks to everyone for help and perspective on this conundrum. I think I ought to sell movie rights to my family history!

My thought is that it is unlikely for Caroline to be Hannah's daughter if she was born in 1840ish as Hannah would only be 14 (not impossible I know) but I think they are more likely to be sisters?

Hannah shows up in 1841, aged 15, census in Aspley Guise but no other Farrs on the page.


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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 15:44 UTC (UK) »

Hannah would be somewhere between 15 and 19 in 1841.
(ages were rounded down)

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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 15:49 UTC (UK) »

It would have been illegal for Richard to marry his deceased wife's sister - not that that would necessarily stop it from happening but would make it unlikely as they were staying in same area.

Jan Wink

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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1907Act.htm


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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 15:59 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for that - new information to me!

Logically then it would seem that Hannah and Caroline, if related at all, would be cousins?


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janan
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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 16:07 UTC (UK) »

Cousins would be another possibility but I wouldn't rule out mother and daughter.

Have you had contact with this lady researching same family

http://www.genforum.familytreemaker.com/battams/messages/13.html

She mentions no father being on birth certificate which rather suggests she has said certificate.

Jan Wink


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bedfordshire boy
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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 16:27 UTC (UK) »

So in 1841 Hannah aged 15 ie 15-19, was the only Farr living in Aspley Guise other than a 90 year old Mary. In 1861 Caroline was 18, in 1871 27, in 1881 40. The census closest to the birth is usually the most accurate, so lets say she was born in 1842. In Aspley Guise, where there's only one Farr of child bearing age, and she would have been 16-20.

I think there's every chance that Caroline was Hannah's daughter. It's the only way I can see how she would have been described as Matthew Battams' granddaughter - she was the step daughter at least, of his son Richard

Finding them in 1851 would help no end, but they seem to be missing!

I'd be interested to know where Caroline's birth cert was found with no father named, as I can't see a birth for her on Freebmd

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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 16:58 UTC (UK) »

I can't find a birth registration for Caroline either. No luck with Richard, Hannah and Caroline in 1851. Can't see Richard in 1861. What a difficult family!

I'd forgotten Caroline was listed as Matthew's granddaughter in 61 - so agree she must be Richard's step-daughter and daughter of Hannah Farr (who is equally mysterious)

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bedfordshire boy
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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 17:17 UTC (UK) »

I wonder if they meant marriage cert for Caroline - that wouldn't necessarily name a father either unless she made one up. But I'd have thought that if the poster on the other board had a birth cert she'd have at least mentioned who the mother was!

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janan
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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 17:25 UTC (UK) »

Quote from: bedfordshire boy on Tuesday 02 June 09 17:17 UTC (UK)

I'd have thought that if the poster on the other board had a birth cert she'd have at least mentioned who the mother was!

You'd think so wouldn't you! Maybe she did mean marriage cert.

Jan Wink


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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 19:20 UTC (UK) »

I don't know if this family is related - so i'll just tell you this info.

from the Monumental Inscriptions of St Botolph, Aspley Guide (old churchyard) surveyed 1913 & transcribed by the Beds FHS in 2007

'In memory of Mary Farr, wife of John Farr, who departed this life January 15 184(4) aged 93 years. Also four sons and six daughters who died in infancy' "Death's terror is the mountain faith removed. 'Tis faith disarms distruction. Believe and look with triumph on the tomb"

'Sacred to the memory of John Farr who departed this life on the 26th February 1821 aged 69 years' "Afflictions sore long time I bore, All human aid was vain, Till God did please to give me ease, and free me from my pain"

regards John


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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 21:49 UTC (UK) »

The 1861 census shows Caroline and son Thomas living with Mathew. I can find record of Thomas' birth, listed in the census as being in 1859 in Wavendon. Is there a way of searching for all Thomas's born in Wavendon c. 1859. Just wonder if his birth is registered as another surname.

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janan
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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 04 June 09 08:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi HGD

This looks like his birth registration

Thomas Farr Dec Qtr 1859 Vol 3a Pg 444 Newport Pagnell district (this includes Wavendon)

see

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Jan Wink


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bedfordshire boy
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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 04 June 09 08:47 UTC (UK) »

The 1861 doesn't say that Thomas was Caroline's son, although he might well have been. They were both described as grandchildren of Matthew. Thomas wasn't with Caroline in 1871

See my post #13 in this thread


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bedfordshire boy
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Re: Caroline FARR
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 04 June 09 08:55 UTC (UK) »

Quote from: harrisonsgdad on Wednesday 03 June 09 21:49 UTC (UK)

Is there a way of searching for all Thomas's born in Wavendon c. 1859. Just wonder if his birth is registered as another surname.

HGD

The quick answer is no. The best you can do is to search for all Thomas' whose births are registered in the registration district in which Wavendon falls, which is Newport Pagnell. But as I and Jan have pointed out, Jan giving the full reference, there's a perfectly good Thomas Farr just waiting for you to splash out £7 on his birth certificate.


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