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Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« on: Tuesday 02 June 09 05:39 UTC (UK) »

Following the Armstrong Tree [x Brighton]
Details please of Edward Armstrong b about 1825, parents, age, place and anything else.
Elizabeth Stocker b ab 1823 in Tower Hamlets married Sep 1846 in East London.
1861 census has her in Brighton with son Henry but no Edward!!
1851 census not sure.
Can any one help with any more details .... and even Edwards parents??? as this is the branch that I'm following.
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Re: Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 05:42 UTC (UK) »

Hullo,
If you buy the marriage cert for Edward and Elizabeth it will give you the name of  their fathers of both of them and his occupation.

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Re: Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 June 09 08:26 UTC (UK) »

Ian

Are you sure you have the right Edward Armstrong?

According to the IGI Edward married Harriet PROUT, 21 Sep 1846, at St Giles Cripplegate. Can't see them in 1851 as yet but they are in Albert Road, Stepney in 1861 - RG9/299 87 17. He was born 1825 in Holborn.

Elizabeth STOCKER married David PUTTEE, on 20 Sep 1846 at St Giles Cripplegate.

Also can't find Henry and Elizabeth in 1851. Is he the Henry Edward ARMSTRONG who married Rose SKINNER, 16 Jul 1874 at St Peters Brighton.

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Re: Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 02:27 UTC (UK) »

Ian

Are you sure you have the right Edward Armstrong?

According to the IGI Edward married Harriet PROUT, 21 Sep 1846, at St Giles Cripplegate. Can't see them in 1851 as yet but they are in Albert Road, Stepney in 1861 - RG9/299 87 17. He was born 1825 in Holborn.

Elizabeth STOCKER married David PUTTEE, on 20 Sep 1846 at St Giles Cripplegate.

Also can't find Henry and Elizabeth in 1851. Is he the Henry Edward ARMSTRONG who married Rose SKINNER, 16 Jul 1874 at St Peters Brighton.

Ian C
Thanks for the quick reply .....
Re the above the Edward is the father of the Henry E Armstrong/Skinner above I understand. But could be another christian name!

Have the info on Henry A/Rose Skinner marriage.

Have had some info from the Stocker tree to suggest she married an E Armstrong.
The m of Stocker to Puttee could be another Stocker as there are a few in the London area, but the m date seems to be a coincidence as the one I have for EA. I only have Sep 1846, no day.

Where to from here? should I follow Prout branch?

Can anyone look at the St Giles details??

Thanks  Ian
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Re: Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 13:09 UTC (UK) »

Do you have Henry's birth certificate, to confirm Elizabeth's maiden name?
You may find Henry and Elizabeth have been indexed in 1851 under Elizabeth's name (either because the couple married later after Henry's birth, didn't marry, or because she was staying her with parents or other relatives and the surname got dittoed down).
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Re: Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 13:21 UTC (UK) »

Like you Ian I wondered if The names had got muddled in the St Giles register but clearly Edward married Harriet Prout.
Ian C found them in 1861 and they are also in 1851 HO107; Piece: 1560; Folio: 287; Page: 17;
This Edward is a rug weaver

The Harriet (Prout) ages in 51 and 61 and place born Holborn (transcribed as Holland in 51)
match with this girl at
HO107; Piece 670; Book: 7; Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn (Above The Bars); County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 32;

Puttee is the name in the GRO index for that reference But I can find nothing on him any further. So what happened to the Elizabeth Stocker who married him I know not
So if the STOCKER tree says she married EA in Sep 1846 it strongly looks like a problem from taking the BMD names and thinking they married.

So do you have anything else that says Henry's mother was a STOCKER?
Do you have the 1874 marriage details and does it say his father was an Edward Armstrong and what occupation shows for him. perhaps he can be found in previous census.

Have you found a birth for Henry - I've looked but none I could find.



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Re: Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 June 09 05:57 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for info, my comments are in your reply
Like you Ian I wondered if The names had got muddled in the St Giles register but clearly Edward married Harriet Prout. Tnx will now go down this track. Very little info from the Armstrong side.
Ian C found them in 1861 and they are also in 1851 HO107; Piece: 1560; Folio: 287; Page: 17;
This Edward is a rug weaver

The Harriet (Prout) ages in 51 and 61 and place born Holborn (transcribed as Holland in 51)
match with this girl at
HO107; Piece 670; Book: 7; Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn (Above The Bars); County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 32; So what age is Harriet?

Puttee is the name in the GRO index for that reference But I can find nothing on him any further. So what happened to the Elizabeth Stocker who married him I know not
So if the STOCKER tree says she married EA in Sep 1846 it strongly looks like a problem from taking the BMD names and thinking they married. Yes this may be the case.

So do you have anything else that says Henry's mother was a STOCKER? No only in 1861 I did see that an Elizabeth Armstrong was 34 with son Henry 12yrs.
Do you have the 1874 marriage details and does it say his father was an Edward Armstrong and what occupation shows for him.No, just a 1905 marriage cert showing Ed. as Father Occ Indoor Serveant. perhaps he can be found in previous census.

Have you found a birth for Henry No- I've looked but none I could find.


So where to from here??
Can anyone look at the St Giles details please??
Thanks Ian


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Re: Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 June 09 06:29 UTC (UK) »

Quoting the whole of my post and sticking new data in it is a bit confusing -

So re your remarks:-

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So what age is Harriet?[
Does it matter I cannot see any connection to your Henry - the EA she married was a rug weaver

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No only in 1861 I did see that an Elizabeth Armstrong was 34 with son Henry 12yrs.
So there is a EA marriage to an Elizabeth "unknown" to be found.
Sadly doesn't seem as though she had any other children whose Birth cert might be found

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No, just a 1905 marriage cert showing Ed. as Father Occ Indoor Serveant.  perhaps he can be found in previous census.
So clearly not the one who married Harriet as he was a rug weaver per 2 census.
I'll post this and then go look for EA servant in census I suppose 1851

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So where to from here??
Buy 1874 marriage cert as may have more about EA and the witnesses may help - marriage witnesses may reveal all manner of links

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Can anyone look at the St Giles details please??
The marriages at St Giles 1846 seem to have nothing to do with Henry and his parents
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Re: Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 June 09 07:13 UTC (UK) »

Thanks ronlankshear thought my reply was to be in red but it did not seem to work that way.

Have also an Elizabeth A in the 1871 census with son henry 21 yrs in the Brighton Area
No info 1851 info
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Re: Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 04 June 09 07:26 UTC (UK) »

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Sorry Ian I have drawn a blank on census 1851 or 1861 for any Edward A as a servant well looking like he might be Henry's father anyway.

Yes I saw the 1871 - can you see Elizabeth in a later census? I see Henry and Rose in 1881.

Must a reason why they are in Brighton and Henry always says he was born in Brighton

Just in case he was born under another name I looked for any Henry Edward born c1849 - and then looked for them in 1851 to see if mother Elizabeth from London but the ones I checked all had other mothers.

Only thing I can see is Buy the 1874 and see if anything new on it

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Re: Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 04 June 09 08:07 UTC (UK) »

Thanks .... may go down that line.
regards   Ian
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Re: Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« Reply #11 on: Monday 08 June 09 18:36 UTC (UK) »

From the marriage register St Giles Cripplegate

1846, 20 Sept

David Puttee, full age, bachelor, (occ) Mariner, (abode) 17 Lower White X Street (father) Robert Puttee, Mariner, deceased
Elizabeth Stocker, full age, spinster, (no occ) (abode) Do (father) William Stocker, Cooper, deceased

were married in this church by Banns

This marriage was solumnized between us
David Puttee (signed his name)
Elizabeth Stocker (signed her name)

In the presence of
William Stocker (signed his name)
Elizabeth Stocker (signed her name)



1846, 21 Sept

Edward Armstrong, full age, bachelor, (occ) Hearthrug maker, (abode) 40 Lower White X Street (father) John Armstrong, Brass founder, deceased
Harriet Prout, full age, spinster (no occ) (abode) Do (father) John Prout, Silversmith, deceased

were married in this church by Banns

This marriage was solumnized between us
Edward Armstrong X his mark
Harriet Prout (signed her name)

in the presence of
John Prout (signed his name)
Mary Ann Prout (signed her name)

Hope this helps.

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Re: Marriage Edward Armstrong to Elizabeth Stocker 1846, East London
« Reply #12 on: Monday 29 June 09 04:37 UTC (UK) »

From the marriage register St Giles Cripplegate

1846, 20 Sept

David Puttee, full age, bachelor, (occ) Mariner, (abode) 17 Lower White X Street (father) Robert Puttee, Mariner, deceased
Elizabeth Stocker, full age, spinster, (no occ) (abode) Do (father) William Stocker, Cooper, deceased

were married in this church by Banns

This marriage was solumnized between us
David Puttee (signed his name)
Elizabeth Stocker (signed her name)

In the presence of
William Stocker (signed his name)
Elizabeth Stocker (signed her name)



1846, 21 Sept

Edward Armstrong, full age, bachelor, (occ) Hearthrug maker, (abode) 40 Lower White X Street (father) John Armstrong, Brass founder, deceased
Harriet Prout, full age, spinster (no occ) (abode) Do (father) John Prout, Silversmith, deceased

were married in this church by Banns

This marriage was solumnized between us
Edward Armstrong X his mark
Harriet Prout (signed her name)

in the presence of
John Prout (signed his name)
Mary Ann Prout (signed her name)

Hope this helps.

Dawn

Hi thanks for your reply 8 June .... I accidentlyally deleted off my page after I printed it out but have now located you.
I seems I have been going up the wrong branch, so will backtrack to Henry Armstrong / Rose Skinner marriage at St Peters, Brighton 16 July 1874, and see if I can get fathers info from there.
The Edward Armstrong [Father] may have been in the Brighton area all the time!
There is no other info you can suggest??
Thanks  Ian
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