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Mariam82
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Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« on: Sunday 14 June 09 18:54 UTC (UK) »
Where might I go with this ?? To my surprise my ancestor Alice Green was born in Ballyfad Wexford 1850 and died in lancashire.  In meantime she had married twice - once to Andrew Cavanagh and then later to John Greenwood in 1905.  I have looked at some Kilmore records but there are few Green families mentioned.  Eldest daughter born Ireland (connexford ??) 1868 then in Lancashire by 1881.  What chances do i have with such little information ?
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Maria
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Andrew Cavanagh B. Wicklow 1841 - D. widnes 1891 -
wife Alice (nee Green) - later accrington lancs
James & Mary Green- Haslingden m 1806
Peter Belton Burns (or Bolton) Ireland /then Manchester (son William b manchester 1842)
Devine family Stockport 1832 then Blackley 1861
Lipscomb family (Robert Lipscomb derby)
Stafford family (Margaret - Isle of Man)
heywood
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 June 09 21:01 UTC (UK) »
Hello Maria,

It looks as though Ballyfad, near Gorey is in both Inch and Kilnenor Parishes.
http://www.cousinsfamily.co.uk/wexford/townlands.htm

Searching Griffiths Valuation (taken around 1840-1850s)
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_results.php?familyname=greene&firstname=john&countyname=WEXFORD&baronyname=&unionname=&parishname=INCH&submit=Start+Searching

there is a John Greene of Ballyfad. (that's the only one).

There are also Kavanaghs around the area but not Ballyfad.

Where do you get the 'connexford' for the eldest daughter? 1881 shows Margaret born Ireland c 1868 and as all Irish births were registered at that time, she should be registered. You have enough information with parents names and county to hopefully get a certificate.

There are some births for Margaret Kavanagh on here http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#birthYear=1868;birthPlace=Wexford%2C%20Ireland;givenName=margaret;searchType=standard;p=recordResults;birthPlaceId=1928899;searchId=74718544258417700000;surname=cavanagh
but as I said with the parents names, it may be possible to get that certificate. This would at least give you a place to confirm Ballyfad perhaps.

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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 June 09 21:06 UTC (UK) »
Back again,

I should have looked at Family Search IGI

there is an extracted record for Margaret Kavanagh 28 June 1867 Coolgreany Wexford =parents Andrew and Alice Green.

Griffiths Valuation show that a John Kavanagh was living Coolgreany which is also in Inch civil parish.
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 June 09 15:05 UTC (UK) »
Thank you very much for all those details -   stupidly i had never thought to look for Kavanagh with a 'k'.    It is great to know details for their daughter - now i may be able to look for andrew and alice themselves.  Are there any other good sources apart from the IGI ?  I am newish to the irish side of family research.  Really appreciate your help.
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Maria
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Andrew Cavanagh B. Wicklow 1841 - D. widnes 1891 -
wife Alice (nee Green) - later accrington lancs
James & Mary Green- Haslingden m 1806
Peter Belton Burns (or Bolton) Ireland /then Manchester (son William b manchester 1842)
Devine family Stockport 1832 then Blackley 1861
Lipscomb family (Robert Lipscomb derby)
Stafford family (Margaret - Isle of Man)
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 June 09 16:08 UTC (UK) »
I think it would be best to apply for certificates if possible.

If they married just around 1866, you should be able to get a marriage certificate. However, I can't see anything suitable in Irish Civil registraration on Family Search pilot.
Perhaps if you got Margaret's certificate, you may get information re the area to search.

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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 20 June 09 21:26 UTC (UK) »
If you're interested, I have a number of pics of Ballyfad church. I have ancestors (O'Neill's) that were buried there.

Deb
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Knight - Redruth, Newport Monmouthshire
Price - Abergavenny
Phillips - London & Kedington, Suffolk
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Mariam82
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 June 09 09:47 UTC (UK) »
Thanks - thats very kind - I'm so pleased to have made a breakthru
with my hubbie's family.
Maria
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Andrew Cavanagh B. Wicklow 1841 - D. widnes 1891 -
wife Alice (nee Green) - later accrington lancs
James & Mary Green- Haslingden m 1806
Peter Belton Burns (or Bolton) Ireland /then Manchester (son William b manchester 1842)
Devine family Stockport 1832 then Blackley 1861
Lipscomb family (Robert Lipscomb derby)
Stafford family (Margaret - Isle of Man)
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #7 on: Monday 24 August 09 12:19 UTC (UK) »
Hello,
I am also looking into Alice Green & Andrew Cavanagh.
The info I have so far (which is probably the same as you do) is:
Married 26/08/1866 in Arklow, Wicklow
Alice's father was John Green. Andrews father was James Kavanagh
Children:
Margaret 1867 - Coolgreaney, Wexford
Catherine 1868 - "                   "
Alice 1871 - Dublin
James 1874 - Widnes, Lancs
Thomas 1877 - "
Annie 1879 - "
Patrick 1881 - "
John 1883 - "
Charles 1886 - "

Andrew died March 1891 (I did note on the '91 census after his death & the family have moved they are living next to a Thomas Green from Ireland, but this may be coincindence).
I will let you know if I find any more info...
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #8 on: Monday 24 August 09 13:51 UTC (UK) »
I've just been looking at thepip's reply and was really happy to see that my ancestors (O Neill's)who came from Coolgreany lived in Cromwell Street, about one minute away from the Cavanaghs.  Its comforting to think that in the middle of what was a really tough life, they had at least some familiar faces.


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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 17:00 UTC (UK) »
Hi Deb - can u tell me how I can find this - always struggled to find the cavanaghs on the 1891 census ??  By 1901 alice cavanagh then a widow had moved to accrington.
Many thanks
Maria m
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Andrew Cavanagh B. Wicklow 1841 - D. widnes 1891 -
wife Alice (nee Green) - later accrington lancs
James & Mary Green- Haslingden m 1806
Peter Belton Burns (or Bolton) Ireland /then Manchester (son William b manchester 1842)
Devine family Stockport 1832 then Blackley 1861
Lipscomb family (Robert Lipscomb derby)
Stafford family (Margaret - Isle of Man)
Mariam82
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 17:15 UTC (UK) »
Hello - I have found them using Thomas Green - they are down as 'Caranagh' - many thanks.
Maria m
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Andrew Cavanagh B. Wicklow 1841 - D. widnes 1891 -
wife Alice (nee Green) - later accrington lancs
James & Mary Green- Haslingden m 1806
Peter Belton Burns (or Bolton) Ireland /then Manchester (son William b manchester 1842)
Devine family Stockport 1832 then Blackley 1861
Lipscomb family (Robert Lipscomb derby)
Stafford family (Margaret - Isle of Man)
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 17:23 UTC (UK) »
Hello,
I found them using Charles b 1886 with mother Alice- they are there as Karanagh though Mariam on Ancestry.  Huh

best wishes
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 17:31 UTC (UK) »
thanks very much. x maria
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Andrew Cavanagh B. Wicklow 1841 - D. widnes 1891 -
wife Alice (nee Green) - later accrington lancs
James & Mary Green- Haslingden m 1806
Peter Belton Burns (or Bolton) Ireland /then Manchester (son William b manchester 1842)
Devine family Stockport 1832 then Blackley 1861
Lipscomb family (Robert Lipscomb derby)
Stafford family (Margaret - Isle of Man)
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 26 August 09 12:48 UTC (UK) »
Hi Pip - thanks for all your information - i did not know of the marriage - sent you a p.m. yesterday - did you receive it ?
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Maria m
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Andrew Cavanagh B. Wicklow 1841 - D. widnes 1891 -
wife Alice (nee Green) - later accrington lancs
James & Mary Green- Haslingden m 1806
Peter Belton Burns (or Bolton) Ireland /then Manchester (son William b manchester 1842)
Devine family Stockport 1832 then Blackley 1861
Lipscomb family (Robert Lipscomb derby)
Stafford family (Margaret - Isle of Man)
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Re: Alice Green Ballyfad 1850
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 06 September 09 23:33 UTC (UK) »
Hi
I have read the posts re Alice green with interest. My Grandmother Elizabeth  Rossney ne Green was born in Ballyfad in April 1882. she was one of 7 children of Patrick Green of Ballyfad and his wife Elizabeth Kinsella from the adjacent townland of Newtown. According to the 1911 census Patrick was born 1853 and his wife Elizabeth was born Dec 1842.
On the 25-9-1873    Patrick Green & Bessie Kinsella, were married in  Johnstown, Arklow, Rathdrum, Co. Wicklow. (Inch Civil Parish = Arklow RC Parish) Pat Green was described as  full age, Batchelor, Farmer    Ballyfad.   Father John Green   dead  farmer.
Elizabeth Kinsella,     full age Spinster  farmer's dau.  Newtown.   Father John Kinsella  alive  farmer.      Witnesses were Michael Green and Ellen Kinsella.

I suspect your Alice Green could be Pat's sister and Michael above probably his brother but I need facts to prove this.  Do you have any other information on any of Pat's siblings or his mother ?

If any reader has any information on the Greens or Elizabeth Kinsellas siblings I would love to hear from you.

I would be grateful for any information which might help my family research,
Thank you
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