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Sue Lancashire
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Long shot from NZ! a Saunders - Shepherd connection from 1911
« on: Wednesday 03 June 09 02:46 UTC (UK) »

My grandmother Irene Mary Saunders was born in Whippingham Road  Brighton,  6 FEB 1911, to Elizabeth Saunders of Fisherton Anger, Aldebury in Wiltshire.
Elizabeth's birth is about 1889    to Frank and Catherine  Saunders .  My grandma was adopted out as a baby,  or infant, by an "aunt and uncle"..... Mr and Mrs Shepherd. No first names are known.
The only concrete info that I have is that Mr Shepherd (not sure of spelling) was in the Royal Navy and he (plus wife and child) were stationed in Hong Kong for about 13 years, returning to England around 1936-39.  There are possible links to Mt Victoria Hospital. Gran had a southern england accent and possible links to Weston Super Mare.
  There is little else to go on, to gain further information about her adoptive parents. Just hoping that someone in the Wiltshire area may have a few drops in the bucket before I start trying to swim this ocean  of research from NZ. Irene Mary married John Read of Salford, Lancs in 1939. He was stationed at Colchester military base and I think they met in Brighton.
Thank you for reading ...any clues, tips or advice  will be gratefully taken on board.

Sue
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Baxter, Kellet, Jennings, Marsden, Read, Speakman in Lancashire
Read, Roberts  in Denbighshire
Saunders in  Wiltshire, Sussex
Batchelor,  Whalen in Sussex
Sheppard in Wiltshire, Hampshire
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Re: Long shot from NZ! a Saunders - Shepherd connection from 1911
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 June 09 09:29 UTC (UK) »

Hi
At that time adoptions were mostly informal affairs between family members or occasionally via religious groups.  Have you tried looking at the 1911 census to see if there are any Shepherd/Sheppard entries in the same area as your grandmother?   Bit of a long shot but it may work.  It is pay per view on www.findmypast.com but you can search the index for free.
Naval records are held at the main Public record Office at Kew but without a first name you are a bit hampered.
Who were the witnesses at Irene's marriage?    Does she mention a father?  If you don't have that certificate you can get it on various paying sites or www.freebmd.org.uk    That will also show you a birth registration for Elizabeth if you want to confirm her details.
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Re: Long shot from NZ! a Saunders - Shepherd connection from 1911
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 June 09 10:57 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Welcome to Rootschat Cheesy

If you use the advanced person search for 1911 census it is possible to play around and find out a lot before spending anything - I couldn't resist doing so

Elizabeth Saunders and Irene Mary age 2months are still in Whippingham Road

and interestingly also in Whippingham Road Grace Sheppard 39, John Sheppard 42 and some young Sheppards

Worth checking out further

Jan Wink
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: Long shot from NZ! a Saunders - Shepherd connection from 1911
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 June 09 09:01 UTC (UK) »

 Smiley
Hello again, Kia Ora from New Zealand. Thank you so much Andrea and Jan for your excellent replies. I will order a birth certificate for Elizabeth - to check/confirm details as you say.

WOW! it is amazing you were able to discover  a "Sheppard" family living at 45 Whippingham Rd... my gran was born at 42. As you say, a worthwhile while longshot. Possibly a connection to "Mr Sheppard" of the navy.
I will use the 1881 to discover J.Sheppard's (at number 45) male siblings, first. Just knowing how the experts take a perspective on the information at hand really helps.
Irene Mary's marriage mentions no Shepherds,and no father is named on her birth certificate.
Thank you for revealing new lines of enquiry... your time and thinking has really helped me. CHEERS!
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Baxter, Kellet, Jennings, Marsden, Read, Speakman in Lancashire
Read, Roberts  in Denbighshire
Saunders in  Wiltshire, Sussex
Batchelor,  Whalen in Sussex
Sheppard in Wiltshire, Hampshire
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Re: Long shot from NZ! a Saunders - Shepherd connection from 1911
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 June 09 09:19 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sue

Just some more thoughts

I wonder if one of the sons of John and Grace could be the Sheppard who joined the Royal Navy (maybe during WW1?) and he and his wife took Irene in? Do you know what happened to Elizabeth? Just wondering if she died and Irene was fostered then?

Jan Wink
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: Long shot from NZ! a Saunders - Shepherd connection from 1911
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 August 09 11:28 UTC (UK) »

Please see duplicate topics on the Wiltshire, Beginners and Surrey boards

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,385098.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,398638.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,398646.0.html


Regards

Valda
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