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suzard
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Hi trish
I had similar thought to you re Thomas' father
Apologies for omitting Elizabeth daughter from 1841 census - guess the bi focals are overdue a clean!!!
I read the 1851 census slightly differently
address I read as Woodyard Cottage
and the lodger I read as John beard Lodger M 29 Journeyman joiner Allbrighton
Suz
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trish1120
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Hi Suz,
You are right. Must be my multi-focals  Still trying to get used to them.
Cheers,
Trish
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Renae
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Hi all,
Thanks once again for all the info. I'm getting confused now though!
There is a Thomas Owen in the 1881 census listed as 61. That would mean he was born in 1820. I don't have any Thomas' born at that time. Do you know where he fits in?
The only other Thomas' I have are
thomas Owen b.1833, Worcester
Thomas Hudson Owen b.1889 Victoria, australia
Here is some more info I have. I got alot of it from this site from my other tread titled "Florence louisa Reynolds"
My direct line came from William Owen b.1839 Bridgnorth son of Thomas Owen and Elizabeth Beard
He married Sarah Hudson b. Cardington, Salop.
They came to Australia on The "Hampshire" in 1872
One of there sons was William ernest Owen b.1868 Quatford
He married Florence Louisa Reynolds in 1888
One of there sons was Alfred John Owen b. 1910 in Victoria Australia. This is my grandfather.
I hope I ave got the right line as all we knew at the start was my great grandfather was William Ernest Owen b.1868, quatford and we had his mother or grandmas name as Sarah Hudson
Thanks agian
renae
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Owen,Stannett,Sollner,Flannery,Miller,Reynolds
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Mr Gwynne Chadwick
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Hi Renae,
Don't worry, you have the correct line.
I've spent all afternoon gathering lots of information about your OWEN family. I just need to get more information tomorrow about a couple of marriages before I post all that I've found.
Many of your OWEN ancestors have headstones in Bridgnorth cemetery that I've photographed today for you.
Don't worry about that Thomas OWEN on the 1881 census. As a second marriage, he married your Elizabeth OWEN b.1831, dau of your Thomas & Elizabeth nee BEARD. It was an OWEN marrying OWEN marriage. Details to follow.
Sarah HUDSON of The Danery, Quatford, who married William OWEN in Aug? 1865 would probably have been born in Eardington not Cardington. Eardington is directly across the river Severn from Quatford where the Parish church was.
I've asked the Moderator to return this thread onto the main board. It's far from completed!
Regards,
Gwynne
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trish1120
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How exciting for you Renae 
Hi Gwynne,
What a marvel you are and photos as well to come. An exciting ending. Cant waiit to see it all.
Trish
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Mr Gwynne Chadwick
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Renae,
From my assorted records for Bridgnorth, I can add some additional facts about your OWEN family.
Thomas OWEN and family moved from Quatford to Mill Street, Bridgnorth in April 1865. ( Source - GRC book)
Thomas OWEN of Cann Hall, Mill Street, died 2 Sept, buried 5 Sept 1879. I have photographed the headstone. (Source – Burial book)
His wife Elizabeth OWEN nee BEARD of Cann Hall, Mill Street – died 6 April, buried 10 April 1891. I have photographed the headstone. (Source – Burial book)
Their daughter Lucy OWEN, born c.1846 married on 27 Dec 1866. It was listed in the 12 Jan 1867 issue of the Bridgnorth Journal; Married - Mr S HUGHES of Bridge Street to Lucy OWEN fourth dau of Thomas OWEN of Cann Hall (Source- GRC book)
Perhaps as a result of the above marriage, we have in the1 May 1869 issue of the Bridgnorth Journal;
Public Notice - Thomas OWEN & Sons, in the coal trade for 4 years, sold to Samuel HUGHES. (Source- GRC book)
William OWEN, born c. 1839, married in 1865. Listed in the 26 Aug 1865 issue of the Bridgnorth Journal; Married in Quatford. William OWEN, third son of Mr OWEN - Builder of Bridgnorth to Sarah, second dau of Mr HUDSON of The Danery, Quatford. (Source GRC book) Comment – note it says third son, not second? (unless I’ve made a typo!)
Comment – the Sarah HUDSON line would need more research. From the census and my transcript* of all the headstones in Quatford church (four HUDSON memorials) I know there are several HUDSON families in the beer trade. (Source* – M.I’s of Quatford Church)
In the 22 Feb 1868 issue of the Bridgnorth Journal; Born a son to William OWEN of Mill Street. (Source - GRC book)
Thomas OWEN, born c.1833, married in 1865. Listed in the 22 April 1865 issue of the Bridgnorth Journal; Married in Notting Hill, London. Thomas OWEN, Jnr. - Builder of Mill Street to Miss Eliza NEWELL of The Square, Bridgnorth. (Source - GRC book)
Comment – perhaps after the death of his wife ELIZA in March 1871, I believe this Thomas OWEN born c.1833 left Bridgnorth district. He is definitely NOT the Thomas OWEN, Machinist, married to Elizabeth on later Bridgnorth census.
Listed in the 10 Feb 1866 issue of the Bridgnorth Journal;
Born a son to Mr T OWEN, The Square, Bridgnorth. (Source - GRC book)
Comment – the subsequent inscription on his mother’s headstone tells us this child was Thomas Harry OWEN who on the 1881 census was with family relations in Mill Street. Thomas Harry OWEN drowned whilst bathing in the river July 1881 (Source – Bridgnorth cemetery headstone)
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Mr Gwynne Chadwick
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............ continuation of previous message ..............
Another son of Thomas and Eliza OWEN of The Square, Bridgnorth, was Arthur OWEN, bap’ 1 Jan 1868 at St. Leonard’s, Bridgnorth. This would be the Arthur, age 3, on the 1871 listed with his grand parents as sons son. His mother Eliza had died the previous month.
Arthur OWEN, age 44, Clerk of Cann Hall, was buried on 13 Jan 1912 in the same plot as his parents but isn’t recorded on the memorial!
Eliza OWEN nee NEWELL, age 35, died 3 March, buried 7 March 1871. (Source – Burial book)
Another Thomas OWEN (not the son of Thomas, born in Quatford) married Harriet MATTHEWS on 16 July 1848 at St. Mary’s, Bridgnorth.
Thomas was of full age, bachelor, Mechanic of Spital Street. Father = John OWEN, a Millwright.
Harriet was of full age, spinster of Listley Street. Father = Thomas MATTHEWS, a Gardener.
Witnesses - Thomas - -? and Emma MATTHEWS. (Source – GRC transcript)
On the 1851, 1861 & 1871 census he was listed as various types of Millwright, born in Kidderminster.
There is a Thomas OWEN, Head Mechanic, one of nine people on a photograph in a booklet “Weaving in Bridgnorth”
Harriet OWEN, nee MATTHEWS, died age 57 and was buried on 5 Dec 1876. I have photographed the headstone. (Source – Burial book)
On 15 April 1880 at St. Mary’s Bridgnorth, this widower Thomas OWEN married Elizabeth OWEN, born c.1831 the daughter of your Thomas & Elizabeth nee BEARD.
Thomas, age 65? (not clear) Widower, Engineer of Cann Hall, Mill Street. Father = John OWEN, an Engineer.
Elizabeth OWEN, age 48, Spinster of Cann Hall, Mill Street. Father = Thomas OWEN, a Builder.
Witnesses – George Morris and ? Jackson.
(Source – GRC transcript)
On the 1881 Bridgnorth census transcript, Elizabeth OWEN nee BEARD, age 75 is wrongly listed as Mother (of Thomas) in the house of Thomas & (her daughter) Elizabeth OWEN.
The 1891 Bridgnorth census is correct, Elizabeth OWEN nee BEARD, age 86 is listed as Mother in Law (of Thomas) in the house of Thomas & (her daughter) Elizabeth OWEN.
Elizabeth OWEN, b.1831 died 21 Jan 1909, age 77. I have photographed the headstone. (Source – Burial book) The headstone inscription is wrong stating she was buried in 1910. The sequentially dated burial book definitely gives 1909.
Her husband Thomas OWEN, (born in Kidderminster) died 1 June 1899, age 79. I have photographed the headstone. (Source – Burial book)
Sources used;
GRC book = my own published book “Bridgnorth – News and Events between 1852 and 1900” An index to events mentioned in the local newspaper The Bridgnorth Journal.
Burial book = Bridgnorth Municipal Cemetery burial records from 1855 onwards that I have transcribed into a data base.
GRC transcript = my own transcript of marriages in St. Mary’s Bridgnorth not on the IGI.
My transcript of M.I’s in Quatford Church = available through Shropshire Family History Society.
Within a day or two, I’ll put some photographs on a web page so that you can download any you want.
Gwynne
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mumma j
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Still working out how to use this!!!! Renae; I don't know much about Alfred. Dad knows he was married twice, but never knew his second wife or even her name. They lost touch with him before the second marriage.
Alfred would have had a tough upbringing; sometime before 1914 Florence, his Mother, packed up and moved to Sydney leaving William to raise his younger children as a single father. She accused William of being an alcoholic but he managed to care for his family without her.
His brothers Thomas and Percy were both killed during WWI. My daughter is going on a school trip to study WWI history and this has sparked some further family research. It's a long way from Ballarat to France and Turkey so we want to make the most of her time away.
The family lived for quite some time from the 1920's at 102 Barkley Street Brunswick. Florence Jnr. lived in this house until the eighties when she moved to Mount Royal Lodge. As she and Gerald Sommers had no children, my father, her nephew took care of her. The Barkley Street home was only sold during the nineties. The front portion still stands.
I see mention of the "Hampshire". I can not remember the full story and will have to verify it with Dad, but I believe a child was born at sea and has the names of the ship's and the ship surgeon in his name.
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malaus
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Guday mumma j - Renae let me know you had bobbed up so I thought to say hello. I guess you must be either Teddy or Don's daughter. I'm Alfred's son Mal. I had what I thought was Don's email and tried to contact some time ago but no answer. He was a trainer at Carlton I believe.
I'm not sure if Renae put you onto our tree on Geni but I'm sure she will as Dad's family was not very close in later years. Saw Auntie Flo at my sister Pat's place many years ago and she was always the closest. Uncle Wal at her funeral was our last contact.
I discovered Dad was married twice only this year through our chase for the family tree. I had always thought he played up and no more was said. I'm currently scanning mum's photos into a file to put on the web. They include a couple of Grandpa so may be of interest eventually. Give my regards to your dad. We played together as kids at odd times.
Mal
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mumma j
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Hi, Yes I am Don's second daughter (of three)(Heather, Julie and Tracey). I don't have any contact with Ted's three girls (Susan, Linda and Donna). Dad would like to get in touch. Rheumatoid arthritis and some heart and lung problems have seen him close to house bound lately. This has given him plenty of time to do research. He would like to get Alfred's and William Snr's death certificates. For so long Pop (Wal) would not talk about family history. Too many painful memories. My daughter's upcoming trip visiting WWI sites has re-ignited the seach for our past. I only wish I could be with her at Helles, Gallipoli to remember Percy Owen. I hope the group gets plenty of photos. Julie
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malaus
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Good stuff mumma J. Sorry to hear your dad's not too well. We're all getting old or should I say elderly.
I can't give you my email here. Too many onlookers. So have a look here http://pigshome.synthasite.com which is a website I'm playing around with.
Mal
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