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Renae
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Thomas Owen
« on: Wednesday 03 June 09 23:33 UTC (UK) »
Hi,
Just wondering if anyone has any info on the ansesters of Thomas Owen born 29th September 1799 in Cleobury Mortimer Salop. He married Elizabeth Beard in Quatford, Shropshire on 28th of July 1830 and had 6 children who were William , Jane, Thomas, Lucy, Elizabeth and Mary.
Any help with this family line would be great,
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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 23:50 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

Was there another daughter called Fanny??? (age 4 in 1841)

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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 04 June 09 01:14 UTC (UK) »
His baptism is on the IGI at Familysearch same date as you have stated;
Parents SAML. and ELIZ.

Other siblings on Batch;
John 1796
Hannah 1793
You can get exact dates from site yourself.

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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 June 09 01:20 UTC (UK) »
No, there is no Fanny that I know of.
These are the birth dates for the other children

Elizabeth b. 1832
Thomas b.1833
William b.1939
Jane b.1843
Lucy b.1846
Mary b. 1849

There may be other children, I don't know
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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 June 09 01:28 UTC (UK) »
This looks like the family in 1841

Quatford Salop
Thomas owen 41 Joiner yes
Elizabeth 36 yes
Thomas 9 yes
Fanny 4 yes
William 1 yes
John Beard 19 app yes
James Bruicksham ? 25 J no
HO107 93 5 6 6

fanny is not with the family in 1851

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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 June 09 01:35 UTC (UK) »


Fanny is probably an Elizabeth, maybe the first one died? And also first Jane?


Do you have exact dates for Jane/Elizabeths baptism as they are on IGI;
Elizabeth OWENS, christened Rodington, 12 December 1830
Jane OWEN, chr. Rodington, 1 December 1833

Cant find others at this stage.

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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 June 09 01:42 UTC (UK) »
I don't think fanny was Elizabeth - Fanny is more likely to be frances than Elizabeth -but this looks like her in 1851

Badger Wenlock Salop
Thos F Voddington Head M 46 Rector of badger Hawkshead Westmoreland
Harriet J wife 35 Wootton under edge Glos
Edward H son 1 Badger
Mary J daughter 6 mth Badger
Martha Smith serv U 23 Nurse Kingsland salop
Ellen Page serv 22 ousemaid Bridgenorth Salop
FANNY OWEN serv 13 Nursemaid Quatford Salop
HO107 1987 12 2

fanny went on to marry john Potter and brother Thomas Owen lived with her on one census

Do I have the correct family??/

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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 June 09 01:43 UTC (UK) »
IGI has a Lucy Owen b 7 Nov 1845 Quatford - but it is a submitted entry so has to be treated with caution

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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 June 09 01:51 UTC (UK) »
How accurate is the IGI? If I put in both Elizabeth Beard and Thomas Owen I get father as Thomas or Samual and I noticed that a lot of the references refer to thomas as being the father and the rest say samual is the father
I couldn't say which is correct because I got my info on his birthdate on the IGI.
I have his son Williams birth certificate and all says is born in 1939 Bridgenorth, Salop with father Thomas Owen (occupation joiner) and mother Elizabeth Beard. So I have gone from there

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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 04 June 09 02:01 UTC (UK) »
The IGI is pretty accurate if you look at Extracted records

Submitted ones have to be treated with caution - sometimes they are correct - often they are vague and nothing more than a guess.

It looks like the family  found in 1841 is the correct family - do you have the 1851/61 census for the family - if you require them please ask

I'll have a look on the IGI for Thomas'father

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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 04 June 09 02:16 UTC (UK) »
by the way - John Potter (married Fanny Owen) is lodging with Thomas and Elizabeth and family in 1861

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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #11 on: Friday 05 June 09 22:34 UTC (UK) »
Hi,
Thanks for all the info. I don't have any census records for this family and would love any info you have.
Has anyone found Thomas father. I've had no luck at all

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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 07 June 09 10:34 UTC (UK) »
Hi Renae,

I have looked at this again and yes, as you said IGI has 2 Thomas's born around same time Roll Eyes
I now think that as your Thomas did not name a son Samuel, it is unlikely that Samuel is his Father.

So that brings us back to Thomas as being the possible one.
The 1841 Census Suzard posted for you is the right one but she has accidentally missed off;

Elizabeth aged 9

1861 Census       RG9/1850/74/4

16 Chantrey Lane
Quatford,Shropshire

Thomas OWEN,Head,mar,61,builder employing 14 men,born Cleo/Mort
Elizabeth,wife,mar,55,provision dealer,born Albbrighton Shropshire
Elizabeth,daug,unm,29
Thomas,son,unm,28,builders clerk
William,son,unm,21,joiner
Jane,daug,unm,18,? marker
Lucy,daug,unm,15,scholar
Mary,daug,unm,12,scholar
John POTTER,boarder,unm,25,civil engineers adjudant

All children born Quatford and John Potter in Hertfordshire


Marriage;
John POTTER
Fanny OWEN
September 1864
Bridgnorth
6a 999



1851 Census     HO107/1986/393/7

26 Woodford Cottage
Quatford,Shropshire

Thomas OWEN,52, joiner- builders manager
Elizabeth,
Elizabeth,19
Thomas,18,builders clerk
William,11
Jane,8
Lucy,5
Mary,2
Nehemiah SPRATT,63,lodger,widow,joiner
John BEARD,29,lodger,mar,joiner



1871 Census                              RG10/2743/4/1

2 Waterloo Terrace
Bridgnorth St Marys, Shropshire

Thomas OWEN,head,71,retired builder
Elizabeth,wife,67
Elizabeth,daug,39
Arthur OWEN, sons son,3, born Bridgnorth


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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 07 June 09 10:47 UTC (UK) »
Thomas Owen, born 1799 must have died by 1881 Census.
They were hard to find but have found Elizabeth by following Arthur born 1868.

1881
70 Mill Street
Bridgnorth

Thomas OWEN,head,mar,61,machinist
Elizabeth,wife,49
ELIZABETH OWEN,Mother,Widow,75,annuitant,born Albrington
Thomas.H.,nephew,15,carpet designer,born Bridgnorth
Arthur,nephew,13,scholar,born Bridgnorth
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Re: Thomas Owen
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 07 June 09 10:57 UTC (UK) »
Elizabeth is still alive for 1891 census;D
Will post in next day or so.

Possible Death;
Elizabeth OWEN
June 1891
Bridgnorth
6a 447
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