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Topic: Advice please re death certificates (Read 639 times)
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maisie666
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi - I'm pretty new to FH and I'm sure I'm missing something obvious here, but how on earth do you go about finding out when someone died.
I'm finding lots of rellies' birth and marriage certs and am doing reasonably well on censuses, but the only clue to when someone died appears to be when they stopped appearing on censuses - presuming it was in the timeframe of the available censuses and presuming you haven't just missed them!
With births and marriages I find you can often make an educated guess at the date to at least give you a place to start, but often a death can be any time in the next 50 years or so after a marriage and if they moved county etc there is nothing to double check anything with before ordering certificates - and if you have a lot of common names that could just be horrendously expensive......
Sorry to rant on but I'd appreciate any advice as, at the moment, I appear to have a lot of 200 - 500 year old relatives and I'd quite like to be able to kill a few of them off!
Thanks in anticipation
Maisie
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c-side
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A new generation - my great grandson 11-09-09
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Hi Maisie,
No, you are not missing anything obvious - I'm sure everyone on here will confirm that finding deaths and/or burials can be very difficult for the very reason you give. You can take a guess at where to start looking for births and marriages but there are no 'rules' on when people die - or where, for that matter.
Some counties have their own bmd sites which can narrow the search a bit (Cheshire and Lancashire spring to mind but there are others). There is also the National Burial Index but this is anything but comprehensive - version 3 eagerly awaited.
Christine
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chirp
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Hi
I do agree with the points made by other Rootschatters on the subject of deaths and burials. A couple of other little notes I'd like to add: keep in mind anything you may find about outbreaks of disease or major industrial accidents which might have happened in your area of interest and which could have affected the lives of your ancestors. Also some records offices are steadily putting their parish records (or indexes to the records) online. Keep checking those for your areas of interest and you might find the burial of an ancestor. Good luck.
Chirp
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AVERY, Berks., BLUNDELL, North Meols,
BOND, Wilts., CHORLTON, Salford
DOWNHAM, Westmorland, FOGGIN, Yorks.,
GRANT, Durham, HUMM, Bethnal Green
MALONEY, Limerick, MARCHANT, Worcs.,
McPHERSON, Kent, MELLISH, Finsbury
PERRETT, Wilts., RAGG, Yorks.,
RAINSFORD, Staffs RENSHAW, Salford
ROSS, Leicester, TIGHE/TYE, All
WELLER, Berks, WILKINSON, Westmorland
Early 19th C Hairdressing & Perfumery
Spittalfields Silkweavers
Glass making, Durham
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maisie666
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Posts: 21
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Thanks everyone for your replies - I'll just have to keep plugging away!
Maisie
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charlotteCH
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Maisie, Plugging away is how family history moves along.
One point I'd add about death certs... if you buy one and don't recognise the informant don't just leave it there.. I look the informant up on the census previous to the death or the one following, dependant on the date of death- and fossick around a bit to see if there is a family connection. I've hit gold twice- unknown niece in one instance which led me to a whole new branch of the family.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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Les de B
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If you can get onto the Gales website for London Times/or old English newspaers (other threads explain how), that is also a good source to find deceased ancestors. The only problem though, if your ancestor was a farmer, labourer, layman, etc....... there isn't a great chance of finding the ancestor in the newspaper. Genetlemen, military, religious, business, educated, (and their families) have more chance of appearing in a newspaper Death Notice.
Les
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de Belin, Swindail, Willcock, Williams, Moore, Watts, Searjeant, Watson, McCready, Reid, Spink, de Lancey, Van Cortland, and of course, Smith!
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Nick29
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Maisie,
one thing to bear in mind as far as women were concerned is that women dying in childbirth was much more common in those days. Healthy married women under about the age of 45 tended to have one child a year, and if several years go by without a child, then the child probably died, or it didn't reach full term. If a woman suddenly disappears off the census, look for a death about 1 to 2 weeks from the birth of a child (death due to complications from the birth) or 1 year from the previous birth (complications from a birth where neither mother or child survived).
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Best Wishes, Nick. Research interests: Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Paul Caswell
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The technique I use on FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl is:
Fill in the name etc. and put @yyyy-yyyy in the Death age/DoB field. Use a date range of about 4-5 years, i.e. dob +/- 2 years, as age is very often misjudged for people who lived a long life.
For example, for someone born 1850 I might use @1848-1852.
Paul
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Caswell - Durham(Jarrow), Northumberland(Berwick), Dorset(Netherbury) Drury - Middlesex(Kensington), Shropshire(Selattyn) Turner - Dorset(Parkstone) Speight - Essex(Braintree), Kent(Gravesend), Westmorland(Kendal) Stockley - Dorset(Corfe Castle) Amey - Suffolk(Haverill) Cousins - Norfolk(Ketteringham) Sears - Bedfordshire(Potton), Cambridgeshire(Gamlingay) Census information is Crown Copyright
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charlotteCH
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Yes,
Paul is quite correct there especially if the infomant isn't a close family member. I bought a death cert for a cousin who dies in 1988 in a hospital where no one knew here- they had her age as 8 years too old.
So allow some latitude there.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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Nick29
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That's less likely to happen these days, because the NHS now has a computerised database, which makes people easier to trace. When my half-brother was rushed in to hospital (where he subsequently died), the ambulance crew gave the hospital his address, which enabled his full details to be found.
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Best Wishes, Nick. Research interests: Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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maisie666
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Thanks again for all the great advice.
I seem to have a family with very common names, nearly all ag labs and who also moved around the country a lot - so I often get bogged down with too many possibilities, so these tips will help me narrow things down a bit before I bankrupt myself with applying for certificates!!
Many thanks
Maisie
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