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xinia
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susannah
« on: Friday 05 June 09 08:15 UTC (UK) »
Hello trying to find more on Susanna .  or Susannah  Patrick or Pattrick..

born 1841 Leicester daughter of Catherine and Samuel..

She is witness to her brothers wedding in 1864   although her name is written then with double t
as Susanna Pattrick..............?

Would like to find a marriage or something cant find her in census .. rtns... or anything

thanks

Xin
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Re: susannah
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 June 09 09:01 UTC (UK) »
This could be her in 1851

HO107 2088 437 23
39 Wharf Rd Leicester

John Parker 45 Porter bn Derbys
Alice 53 wife bn Leicester
Catherine Moore Mar 45 visitor bn Leics
James Moore 9mths visitor bn Leics
Sushanna Patrick 10 visitor bn Leics

I wonder if Catherine is Susannas mum and has remarried
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Re: susannah
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 June 09 09:07 UTC (UK) »
1861
RG9 2291 42 21
Enumarator has gone for a minimalist approach with few relationships filled in.
Looks like a random mix of people living in the house


Rg9 2201 42 21
Facers YArd Leicester
William White 58 widower stocking maker bn N/K
Henry Eayrs 21 Painter bn Leics
Susan Paterick 20 worsted weaver bn Leics
Clara Paterick dtr 3 mths
Mary Robinson 28 visitor bn Leics Hinkley

then your next "sighting" of her is 1864, still single at brothers wedding

Cant see her or Clara in 1871 yet
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Re: susannah
« Reply #3 on: Friday 05 June 09 09:29 UTC (UK) »
thats great Lizdb
thanks  this may help me sort out some odd Patricks... they are a confusing lot....
I had her father down as death in c1857  not sure now how I came to that.

So it is a possibility that it is her Mother re-married...  however -
she had siblings:   
John my gggrandad bn 1832 --Sarah  bn 1836  -  Benjamin 1837 - then 2 Catherines 1840 and 1841  (so 1 died no doubt)

I wonder where they were ?   

John Raven Patrick bn 1832 My ggg married Emma Taylor and they had 2 children Rachel and William -
She died and I cannot trace the children again...
He then married Sarah Jenkinson 1864  and that is where i get stuck...

There is a 'son' Frederick shown in 1871 census in Devon Stonehouse as son of Sarah and John

But without finding this Freds bc there is no definate link ... I have just sent off for his death cert.. which wont add any real info...........

This has alllllll been searched and re-searched and then searched again on this site -- by wonderful people 

but still no BC for Fred...... So I am presuming he is Sarahs pre - marriage to John and if so that means .... no idea as to his father.............!!!!!!!

Then decided to try and trace JRP's siblings to see if I can get any info from that route.... 

thanks for your help

will go through it again later

Xin
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Re: susannah
« Reply #4 on: Friday 05 June 09 09:53 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: xinia on Friday 05 June 09 09:29 UTC (UK)
.  however -
she had siblings:   
John my gggrandad bn 1832 --Sarah  bn 1836  -  Benjamin 1837 - then 2 Catherines 1840 and 1841  (so 1 died no doubt)

Susannah bn 1841 and Catherine bn 1841?
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Re: susannah
« Reply #5 on: Friday 05 June 09 09:57 UTC (UK) »
Here is the Susannah in 1841

HO107 604 9
Neale Street Leicester
Catherine 35 FWK
Sarah 5
Susannah 1

(FWK = frame work knitter)

No sign of John, Benjamin or Catherine 1 or 2.

Where have you found them all as a family?
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Re: susannah
« Reply #6 on: Friday 05 June 09 10:07 UTC (UK) »
here is your John Raven Patrick in 1841

HO107 604 10
Bridge Street
John Raven 45 glove hand  Y
Ann 40   Y
John Raven Patrick 9   Y


and in 1851
Mill Street
John R Patrick 19 FWK bn Leics
Emma 19 wife
Rachel R dtr 9mths
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Re: susannah
« Reply #7 on: Friday 05 June 09 10:14 UTC (UK) »
Marriage

Oct/Nov/Dec 1848
Leicester 15 185
Catharine Patrick
one of grooms - John Moore
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Re: susannah
« Reply #8 on: Friday 05 June 09 10:44 UTC (UK) »
hello,
it was from a contact on Genes .... which I havent verified... but looking on fs.  I just found a Harriet 1827 and  Mary 1836   of  Wharf street.  Now I do have a record of them in Wharf st. from an earlier search...which i will look for. 

I had also previously found a link with the Moore family...

I have census rtns for JRP apart from 1861.... and cannot trace that. 

error  I have Catherine down as 1838 and 1840.. sorry...
I traced Catherine through her maiden name of Raven.....

Sorry as said before this is a complicated one... and most of the basics I have.. but just Freds birth and what happened to William and Rachel.. I presume Rachel died with her mother Emma ... as there is a baby female patrick death at that time.  Ihave Williams birth cert. and Jrp and Sarahs wedding ..

thanks for all and or any help  ... would love to go to bed one day and wake up with the solution in my inbox...  its been a long road searching........ just this odd few...links...

I have all JRP's attestation papers whilst he was in the marines..
and he was around at the approximate times needed to be the father of Fred (!!)

and the marriage of JRP and Sarah state they both left from the same address in Leicester.

So Fred could well be Johns son.....  but without the bc I am flumuxed??? 

Xin

 Huh Huh Roll Eyes Tongue  sorry its so confusing

EDIT

It was William born 1853 not Rachel... sorry
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Re: susannah
« Reply #9 on: Friday 05 June 09 10:52 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: xinia on Friday 05 June 09 10:44 UTC (UK)
hello,
it was from a contact on Genes .... which I havent verified...

Say no more.
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Re: susannah
« Reply #10 on: Friday 05 June 09 11:17 UTC (UK) »
I do know what u mean...... but just occasionally there is something worth having from that site... I did find the only remaining one of our clan from my fathers Uncles side...   

Its all good fun  isnt it. 

I do a lot of searching on Ancestry  but really am not adept at using it..

If I enter names and dates it seems to be non specific with results returned and its a mighty trawl through them... I must be doing something wrong.

I cant get out to library's etc..

Are there any better avenues I can use on the net?!?

Thanx  Xin
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Re: susannah
« Reply #11 on: Friday 05 June 09 11:26 UTC (UK) »
I just meant that anyone can put anything on GR - so until it is verified it doesnt mean anything! The person MAy have checked it all out from original sources, or they MAY have jsut picked names out of a hat!
It can be great for finding others searching alongside.

Yes it is all good fun! And searching through long lists of "possibles" is what it is all about. Nothing is going to pop up with answers, be very suspicious if anything claims too. Research means looking through what has survived of original records and pieceing it together with as much evidence that can be found!

Anyway
I have just found this in 1861 - not sure if it helps or hinders!
It is the Parker couple that Catherine Moore (probably Susannah mum , and you suggest John Raven's mum too) was with in 1851.
Her son James is still there, and the couple seem to have Patrick relatives and also a link with the Ravens - which is all good news in that it does confrim a bit more that the Catherine Moore was the one who was previously Patrick and nee Raven!!
They seem to take in all sorts of random children ... (but not William or Rachel, John R's two motherless ones) I just wonder where they fit in!

RG9 2285 70 11
37 Cotton Street
John Parker 45 Porter at shop bn Derby
Alice 56 bn Thrigstone Leics
James Moore 10 nephew
MAry Pattrick 10 niece
John Raven 4 boarder
Caroline Raven 3 boarder
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Re: susannah
« Reply #12 on: Friday 05 June 09 12:16 UTC (UK) »
THANK you that is really helpful  -- as you say it shows connections....  this is a very interesting line mainly due to its complicated off shoots... oh for a quick trip back in time.. 

They must have been a really interesting family...


The connections through to this era... are all so interesting.. I found that one of the Ravens was actually an author as per this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Raven

So a colourful family...

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