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Anderson
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Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« on: Friday 05 June 09 12:16 UTC (UK) »

Would appreciate any help on Joseph Samuel BOYCE born abt 1855 County Down. Thats all I have birth wise but we have Joseph leaving Ireland and married Fannie GREGSON in New Zealand on the 5 July 1877. They had 2 children in NZ and the 3rd child was born in NSW in 1881. So Joseph left Ireland sometime before 1877 which would make him about 22 years old.
Appreciate a good detective


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RosemaryJoan
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 June 09 16:18 UTC (UK) »

Did Joseph Samuel give his father's name when he married? Usually the father's name and occupation are declared on the marriage certificate. RosemaryJoan


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Anderson
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 June 09 22:26 UTC (UK) »

Couldn't find a marriage cert. in New Zealand Rosemary. The only information about the mar. came fom his death cert. as being mar. in NZ on this day. Didn't show any parents.
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RosemaryJoan
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 06 June 09 09:44 UTC (UK) »

No sign of his marriage in Ireland. Was Fannie Gregson from Ireland? Her surname is not so common and we might be able to trace him through her people. There a lots of Boyces living in the Parish of Tullylish, particularly in the Townland of Ballydugan. Sometimes there is a clue in the naming of their children - often after the grandfathers. Can you give us a few more clues?? RosemaryJoan


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Anderson
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 June 09 09:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi Rosemary Joan:
The information we have was done by a living family member. So ?. What we have on the GREGSON side is:
Thomas GREGSON (b: abt 1816 where?)father William GREGSON mother ?)
Thomas mar. 1st wife Mary Ann McGOWAN on the 30 Aug 1850 in the Par. Ch. Magheralin Nth Ireland & children:
John b: 12 May 1851 Co Down Par. Magheralin.
William b: 11 Apr 1852 as above.
Robert b: 18 Dec 1853 "
Robert b: 25 Jan 1855 (don't know)
Fannie Frances (Femiah) b: 1 Jan 1857 County Armagh. (my wife's g/g/mother)

Mary Ann may have died at this time as Thomas married Sarah TURTLE on the 16 Apr 1858 at Ch of Ireland, Ballinderry, Co Antrim, Nth Ireland & they had a further 5 children:
Sarah Anne 22 Mar 1859 Edemballcoggol, Par of Magheralin, Co Down
Lizzie 23 jan 1861 (place ?)
William 27 Sep 1862
Thomas Edward 9 Nov 1864 Moira, Edemballcoggol, Par of Co Down
James 1869 Warringstown Co Down.
Regards Anderson


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aghadowey
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 June 09 10:00 UTC (UK) »

Quote from: Anderson on Saturday 06 June 09 09:52 UTC (UK)

Mary Ann may have died at this time as Thomas married Sarah TURTLE on the 16 Apr 1858 at Ch of Ireland, Ballinderry, Co Antrim, Nth Ireland & they had a further 5 children:
Sarah Anne 22 Mar 1859 Edemballcoggol, Par of Magheralin, Co Down
Lizzie 23 jan 1861 (place ?)
William 27 Sep 1862
Thomas Edward 9 Nov 1864 Moira, Edemballcoggol, Par of Co Down
James 1869 Warringstown Co Down.

Thomas Gregston, Moira, m. Sarah Turtle- two more children:
1. son born 3 Oct 1867
2.John Alfred born 6 May 1871
There's also a daughter with mother listed as Bessie Turtle (~~suspect this should be Sarah~~)
See: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/G/Gre.htm


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maryderry
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 June 09 10:23 UTC (UK) »

i think this is the bessie that aghadowey is looking at. I'm sure they must be related some how.

Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 7 Dec 1865
Groom Name william GREGSON
Bride Name bessie TURTLE
Church Ballinderry Church of Ireland
Parish Ballinderry
Civil District Lisburn
County Antrim

regards Mary.


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aghadowey
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 June 09 10:34 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for posting that marriage Mary- I've amended my earlier post.


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RosemaryJoan
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 June 09 11:22 UTC (UK) »

There were a lot of Boyces living in Tullylish Parish, which is close to Moira, including a Samuel and a Joseph. Could be family names

Boyce Alexander Ballydugan Tullylish Down
Boyce David Ballydugan Tullylish Down
Boyce James Ballydugan Tullylish Down
Boyce John Ballydugan Tullylish Down
Boyce John Ballynagarrick, Upper Tullylish Down
Boyce Joseph Ballydugan Tullylish Down
Boyce Nathaniel Ballydugan Tullylish Down
Boyce Robert Ballydugan Tullylish Down
Boyce Samuel Ballydugan Tullylish Down
Boyce Thomas Ballydugan Tullylish Down
Boyce William Ballydugan Tullylish Down

It's just possible that Joseph and Fannie knew each other in Ireland.
Still thinking. Rosemary Joan (nee Anderson)


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Anderson
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 06 June 09 11:33 UTC (UK) »

I knew you were a nice person (nee Anderson) I was born in Scotland and was called after both grandfathers. That's what you get from being the last child. Mum & dad and family moved to Australia in 1954.


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RosemaryJoan
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 06 June 09 11:49 UTC (UK) »

Here is an interesting marriage:
Joseph, son of William Boyce married Sarah Anne Leathem on 28/4/1850 (Ros Davies site) . These names are all in Ballydugan,Tullylish and the dates might be relevant.
They had two children listed after Civil registration started in 1864 but there would surely have been earlier children. It would be worth finding out the church they were married in in case you could search the church records.

This is my website@
www.andersonsofbroughshane.info
Very amateur.
RosemaryJoan


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Anderson
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 06 June 09 11:54 UTC (UK) »

Is there any census available in Ireland like is in Egland & Scotland that may show the family together. No that wouldn't help because I don't know Joseph's parents names (talking to myself)
I have included Joseph's death cert. if it is any help. Hope it comes through OK
Anderson
PS Just received you latest post. On Joseph's death cert. it mentions married in NZ but can not find a marriage for them in NZ. Maybe they didn't get married?


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aghadowey
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 06 June 09 12:07 UTC (UK) »

First complete census for Ireland is 1901. 1911 census for Co. Down is online (free):
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search


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maryderry
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 06 June 09 16:08 UTC (UK) »

here is the marriage (i think).

Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 28 Apr 1850
Groom Name joseph Boyce
Bride Name sarah anne Leathern
Church Tullylish Church of Ireland
Parish Tullylish
Civil District Banbridge
County Down
regards mary


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maryderry
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Re: Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 06 June 09 16:33 UTC (UK) »

this is all the marriages for Boyce i could find for that period of time. i just included the ones from tullylish parish.

Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 19 May 1850
Groom Name william BOYCE
Bride Name anne CAMPBELL
Church Tullylish Church of Ireland
Parish Tullylish
Civil District Banbridge
County Down

Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 12 Mar 1852
Groom Name john BOYCE
Bride Name elizabeth DAWSON
Church Tullylish Church of Ireland
Parish Tullylish
Civil District Banbridge
County Down

Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 2 Apr 1852
Groom Name alexander BOYCE
Bride Name eliza ann PATTON
Church Tullylish Church of Ireland
Parish Tullylish
Civil District Banbridge
County Down

Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 21 May 1852
Groom Name john BOYCE
Bride Name letitia COOPER
Church Tullylish Church of Ireland
Parish Tullylish
Civil District Banbridge
County Down


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