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molly90
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Alfie (Helen)
I don't know if you already have this, but On the 1901 census I have found A Ralph Cowley, living at 27, West Street, (this would have been right at the top of the street) Ralph is with Ann, wife, 62.
Bertram, son, 26
Julie, daughter,21
Annie, 17
A little bit more?
Molly
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Stokes, Derbyshire/Staffordshire UK
Windmill, Staffordshire, uk
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alfiepeg
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Ah Molly, this really helps,
Ralph and Ann were my gr gr grandfather's parents and I too have them living at West St, I just had not thought about looking at their other children, just Joseph.
I tracked down all Joseph and Sarah Jane's children, and none of them were living at the pub in 1911, I will now concentrate on Joseph's siblings' children.
You have been a great help, I am determined to track down which Cowley you knew.
Many thanks
Alfie
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COMEONFRANK
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Sorry Molly I don't have any directories.
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pc99
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Hi,
If it is of interest Kelly's 1891 Directory shows a Joseph and
Mrs. Sarah Jane Cowley beer retailers at 2, West Street, Winshill ( doesn't give the name of a pub' )
Regards.
pc99
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alfiepeg
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Hi Molly,
I have a Bertram Cowley, he is the brother of Joseph who is my direct relative, but he was born around 1875 and I have found him in the 1911 census married to someone other than Hickman. I am assuming that your Bertram is a child of one of the other brothers. We will know more when you receive his marriage certificate.
I am truly grateful for all your help in this, and for everyone else who chips in
Kind regards
Alfie
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molly90
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Hi Alfie
I don't quite know where to start 
The name Bert Cowley has started to ring a bell. I too found Bertram on the 1911 census married to Nellie with five children, living in Derby. He was 35 at the time.
Mr Hazlehurst kept the Queen's Arms in 1911.
Abner Cowley b. Winshill, Derbyshire, found lodging at 20, Horton Street, Derby, with a Joseph Edward Brown. Abner was a Locomotive fireman.
I also found a marriage for Abner in Derby in 1912. Brides maiden name was Keeling. He is down as being born in Winshill Derbyshire. So i took that to be him.
Now we come to the interesting bit. I actually received the marriage certificate on Friday, but I was going to wait until i had found when Bert Cowley took over the tenancy of the Queen's Arms by looking in the trade directory for Winshill in the local library.
Alfie....Bertram's first wife must have died. He married again in 1924.
Date; 17th May 1924.
Bertram Cowley. 49 years. Widower. Joiner. 15, Carrington Street, Derby.
Fathers name Ralph Cowley (deceased) Ralph was a sawyer.
Ellen Ruth Hickman. 35 years. widow of 15, Harrington Street, Derby. Her father was Richard Harrison, Coal Merchant.
Witnesses were Henry and Nelly Harvey.
Hope this helps. I will be going to the library on Thursday, so will know more then.
Regards
Molly
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alfiepeg
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Wow Molly,
when I found Bert in 1911 I thought he was the wrong one... how easy it is to assume things.
This is great, we (or rather you) are finally tracking down who the Mr and Mrs Cowley were that you knew and were related to me. Bert was my gr gr grandfather's brother, so my gr gr uncle.
How did you find out who ran the pub in 1911? I tried for ages
Best wishes
Alfie
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